Picaroons Best Bitter Clone

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Picaroons Best Bitter Clone

Post by LiverDance » Thu Sep 30, 2010 1:04 pm

I mentioned this recipe in my hop tea thread so I though I would post what I got so far. Most of this was taking from the brewers notes on the website. Once again since we are in a close knit beer community does anyone have any insight on this one?



Best Bitter
Extra Special/Strong Bitter (English Pale Ale)


Type: All Grain
Batch Size: 40.00 L
Boil Size: 52.03
Boil Time: 90 min
Brewhouse Efficiency: 70.00


Ingredients

Amount Item Type % or IBU
8.30 kg Pale Malt, Maris Otter (3.0 SRM) Grain 83.00 %
1.00 kg Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 10.00 %
0.50 kg Caramel/Crystal Malt -120L (120.0 SRM) Grain 5.00 %
0.20 kg White Wheat Malt (2.4 SRM) Grain 2.00 %
60.00 gm Mt. Hood [6.00 %] (60 min) Hops 22.0 IBU
60.00 gm Tettnang [4.50 %] (20 min) Hops 10.0 IBU
80.00 gm Williamette [5.50 %] (0 min) Hops -
80.00 gm Cascade [5.50 %] (0 min) Hops -
1 Pkgs Ringwood Ale (Wyeast Labs #1187) Yeast-Ale

Beer Profile

Est Original Gravity: 1.055 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.016
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 5.06 %
Bitterness: 32.0 IBU
Est Color: 15.5 SRM


Mash Profile

Single Infusion, Light Body Step Time Name Description Step Temp
60 min Mash In Add 27.50 L of water at 160.8 F 150.0 F
10 min Batch Sparge Add 35.53 L of water at 187.6 F 170.0 F

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Re: Picaroons Best Bitter Clone

Post by mr x » Thu Sep 30, 2010 1:08 pm

Bah, stumped again. Is 1187 really their house yeast?
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Re: Picaroons Best Bitter Clone

Post by LiverDance » Thu Sep 30, 2010 1:27 pm

So says the website:

"Picaroons Traditional Ales are made with the finest quality malted barley imported from England and Germany. We also import whole hops from England, New Zealand and the west coast of North America. Add to this our signature Ringwood Yeast and New Brunswick's deep well water and you've got the makings of world class ales.

Each batch is crafted in 15 hectalitre batches. By concentrating our efforts on each individual batch we are able to maintain the distinctive character specific to each brew. Each and every beer we produce can be tracked back to its special batch using our Brewer's Log."



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Re: Picaroons Best Bitter Clone

Post by mr x » Thu Sep 30, 2010 5:05 pm

D'oh, my dumb as was thinking Propeller...yeah 1187 is definitely Picaroons.
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Re: Picaroons Best Bitter Clone

Post by Nbbeerguy » Tue Oct 26, 2010 1:16 pm

Sean the owner from Picaroons would probably give you a sample of their yeast if your ever in Fredericton stop by their brewery and ask he is super helpful and has helped our homebrew club out so much we actually hold our meetings right at the brewery.

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Post by mr x » Tue Oct 26, 2010 1:28 pm

That's cool of them.
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Re: Picaroons Best Bitter Clone

Post by LiverDance » Tue Oct 26, 2010 2:16 pm

Just what I needed another fourm to check out :lol: I carbed this up last night and wasn't getting quite enough hop aroma from my tea making attempt so I'm going to dry hop it with 2oz Cascade and 2oz Willamette to help that out :mrgreen:
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Re: Picaroons Best Bitter Clone

Post by LiverDance » Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:39 pm

So as it turns out I dry hopped this beer for 4 days (66F) using cascade and willamette leaf hops and it ended up tasting like grass!!! WTF? Was it maybe because the hops were old?
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Re: Picaroons Best Bitter Clone

Post by mr x » Mon Nov 01, 2010 4:06 pm

Funny, I've never had a beer go like that, but I've heard of it. I'd think it would be because the hops were green/fresh that you'd get grassy, but who knows.

On another note, I was in the NSLC in Bayers Lake, and they now are stocking Piccaroons in their fridge section - Best Bitter and Blonde. $3.98.
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Re: Picaroons Best Bitter Clone

Post by LiverDance » Mon Nov 01, 2010 4:16 pm

I have always been hit and miss with dry hopping like this! All I can do now is wait for it to dissapate. How do you usually drop hop? I put them in the keg in a paint strainer bag and let them sit for 4 days before removing them.
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Re: Picaroons Best Bitter Clone

Post by mr x » Mon Nov 01, 2010 4:25 pm

I do the same thing, dry hop in the keg, but I leave them in until the keg kicks. Of course, it's cold beer when I dryhop like that - might make a difference.
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Re: Picaroons Best Bitter Clone

Post by derek » Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:25 pm

One of Nash's back in the Spring was very grassy. I don't recall which it was, but I bet it's in Bobby's little black book.

It's only a fault if you don't like that kind of thing. ;)
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Re: Picaroons Best Bitter Clone

Post by Jimmy » Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:44 pm

mr x wrote:On another note, I was in the NSLC in Bayers Lake, and they now are stocking Piccaroons in their fridge section - Best Bitter and Blonde. $3.98.
I was just in there on the weekend and tried the Best Bitter for the first time. I was impressed, definitely will buy it again!

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Re: Picaroons Best Bitter Clone

Post by mr x » Thu Nov 04, 2010 8:05 pm

They keep it in the fridge, so I think that helps keep it fresh.
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Re: Picaroons Best Bitter Clone

Post by RobD » Fri Nov 05, 2010 9:17 pm

Be very careful when picking up any Picaroons products at the private stores, especially Premiere Wine & Spirits. Their stock is quite old, and the beer will most likely be 'off'. The stuff at the NSLC flies off the shelf, so they tend to get new stock a lot more often. It's unfortunate, as Premiere carries most of the Picaroons products, while the NSLC only carries the Blonde and Bitter... their 2 crowd pleasing beers. IMO, they have better beer (Dark & Stormy, Winter Warmer, Dooryard), but just not in the NSLC.

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Re: Picaroons Best Bitter Clone

Post by Celiacbrew » Fri Jan 23, 2015 6:17 pm

Brian have you made this recipe again since that first time? How did it compare to the real thing? Any suggestions on changes you would have made if any?
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Re: Picaroons Best Bitter Clone

Post by LiverDance » Fri Jan 23, 2015 8:00 pm

I haven't made that one again. I'm not the best at taking notes but I remember that grassy taste haha. It may be a bit high on crystal malts so I would dial that back and increase the fame out hops a tad. As a side note the IPA is now ready for you when you wanna come grab some


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Post by Celiacbrew » Fri Jan 23, 2015 8:48 pm

LiverDance wrote:I haven't made that one again. I'm not the best at taking notes but I remember that grassy taste haha. It may be a bit high on crystal malts so I would dial that back and increase the fame out hops a tad. As a side note the IPA is now ready for you when you wanna come grab some


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Sweet. The recipe I had worked up was 8% caramunich120 but no crystal 60. I did it from memory because the brewers log is gone from the web. So I will add in some caramel 60 and drop the 120 down a smidgen.

Did you notice any difference with the clarity ferm?
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Re: Picaroons Best Bitter Clone

Post by LiverDance » Fri Jan 23, 2015 8:50 pm

None at all


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"Twenty years ago — a time, by the way, that hops such as Simcoe and Citra were already being developed, but weren’t about to find immediate popularity — there wasn’t a brewer on earth who would have gone to the annual Hop Growers of American convention and said, “I’m going to have a beer that we make 4,000 barrels of, one time a year. It flies off the shelf at damn near $20 a six-pack, and you know what it smells like? It smells like your cat ate your weed and then pissed in the Christmas tree.” - Bell’s Brewery Director of Operations John Mallet on the scent of their popular Hopslam.

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