Saniclean or Iodophor

[spears104]

Iodophor works great for me. I have used it for years and have never had any issues.

[GuingesRock]

One step is h202. Is this not readily available as other products?

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Isn't "one step" sold as "Aseptox" through Noble Grape?

I used it for years with great success, but switched to PBW and Star San. I like how PBW eats through anything in kegs and carboys, and star San in a spray bottle is great on brew day.

That looks like the stuff: http://www.winexpert.com/wine-wiki/show ... r+One-Step" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I don't see it on the NG web site. I sent them an email.

I think if you leave the kegs sealed and pressurized until cleaning day they seem to rinse out well. Also I leave the one step in the kegs until I need them for kegging. My father-in-law took the lid off a keg before returning it to me. It stank and was crusted on. I had to soak that one in pbw several times. I still use starsan for many things. Just use the 1 step for kegs and lines. So quick because you are cleaning and sanitizing in one step and no rinsing required, and I trust it to be harmless.

[GuingesRock]

Plus I can find the non-name brand version for cheaper from a distributor that supports me (with advice and guidance as well as product), so I'm very happy to be able to support them as well.

Dave, are you saying you can get the non name brand version of 1 step. I'd be very interested in that. Does it come by the bucket full?

Thanks

[GuingesRock]

I like sani-clean because it's supposed to be the non-foaming equivalent to star-san which Im a big fan of. I want to be able to pump it with my keg cleaner without a ton of foam.

I don't think I need to use sanitizer in my pump because I'm running 100C wort through it. Heat is better than any chemical, but I guess you are not trying to sanitise the pump, but rather using the pump to move sanitizer around.

Edit after Allan posted below: With all of these options I think that as a final step, pouring half a pot of boiling water (I use about a gallon) in the keg, putting the lid on, shaking and standing upside down for 10 - 15 mins (as described by X ) gives one more level of sanitization. I've been doing this since November. I didn't have problems before doing that, but you never know, some tiny off flavour or imperfection might be avoided by using this extra boiling water step.

[AllanMar]

Exactly. I don't run sanitizer thru my brew pump either

[GillettBreweryCnslt]

Dave, are you saying you can get the non name brand version of 1 step. I'd be very interested in that. Does it come by the bucket full?

Thanks

Yes, that is what I am saying.

I buy it by the 50 lb bucket. I'll be selling it by the pound, you can buy as much as you want at a time as long as it's in stock.

[GuingesRock]

That sounds good Dave. Thanks. I have 2lbs of 1 step on hand ATM and will be in touch when I'm getting low.

Thanks

[RubberToe]

Yeah, I'd try some oxy-san.

[GuingesRock]

One step is h202. Is this not readily available as other products?

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Isn't "one step" sold as "Aseptox" through Noble Grape?

I used it for years with great success, but switched to PBW and Star San. I like how PBW eats through anything in kegs and carboys, and star San in a spray bottle is great on brew day.

That looks like the stuff: http://www.winexpert.com/wine-wiki/show ... r+One-Step" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I don't see it on the NG web site. I sent them an email.

Looks like NG does have Aspetox (same thing as 1 - step)

Hi Mark

We sell 350g containers of Aseptox for $4.99. We have some of those here, in store. We can also order 1kg bags. They sell for 10.99.

Have a good weekend.

[jacinthebox]

I'll try anything that works....and makes life a little easier

[erslar00]

The Water N Wine location in Sackville use to sell OxySan before they were bought out by Noble Grape and I used it with no issues and preferred it to Star San because of the no foaming properties it has. I would switch back to oxy san if you bring it in.

[mr x]

DO NOT fear the foam.

[erslar00]

DO NOT fear the foam.

haha, I know, it takes everything in my power not to rinse it out!!

[GillettBreweryCnslt]

DO NOT fear the foam.

haha, I know, it takes everything in my power not to rinse it out!!

From a home brew store owner perspective (and as I'll be selling both soon) I have to agree. Everything I've read and heard from users backs up the no rinse protocol.

But as a homebrewer I've never had the balls to leave the foam, it freaks me out!

[GuingesRock]

DO NOT fear the foam.

haha, I know, it takes everything in my power not to rinse it out!!

From a home brew store owner perspective (and as I'll be selling both soon) I have to agree. Everything I've read and heard from users backs up the no rinse protocol.

But as a homebrewer I've never had the balls to leave the foam, it freaks me out!

At the risk of causing further controversy and more work moving posts, I prefer to use One Step (or its equivalents) for both cleaning and sanitizing. It is advertised as being no-rinse, but lately I have been following it up with a boiling water rinse/sanitisation rinse just before kegging, not because I had problems though. It is FDA approved as a no-rinse cleaner only, but its cleaning action is derived from H2O2 which is a very effective sanitizer. My understanding is that to get FDA approval as a sanitizer, the standards are much more rigorous because of the food industry and issues like e coli, salmonella, botulism etc. that have potentially very serious consequences ...relevant to the food industry, but not to brewing, and the company didn’t go through the expense of getting FDA approval as a sanitizer. I’m confident H2O2 should do the trick. As you can see from the MSDS here it’s a much more pleasant substance to handle, and from what I can make out, the degradation products are natural and harmless, and with no unknown chemical ingredients as far as I can see. Also no surfactants. I’m not scared of long chemical names …God knows, I probably dish out and understand many more complicated chemicals than most people on here have even heard of, but I believe I’m familiar with the chemistry of this product and feel comfortable with it.

[GuingesRock]

More on this …

I first started looking for a source of Hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) as a sanitizer and cleaner for brewing when I asked Kathleen about what they use in her lab. She’s a biochemist working in research into food crops. At her lab they primarily use heat, but the second choice when they can't use heat is H202 because there are no by-products (just oxygen and water) and it eats up organic compounds. They don’t want bacteria but the primary concern is removing volatiles that stick to glass. Chalmers would know about all that stuff. He supplies the lab where my wife works.

I researched long and hard into H2O2, under the sink H2O2 generators etc. and the solution I came up with was One Step. The by-products of which are oxygen, water, sodium carbonate, sodium citrate and sodium chloride. Dilute those many times and then remember that there are no surfactants, no dangerous concentrated acids to handle, no secret ingredients, and that gave me the brewing/beer CHI I was looking for.

ps. You stay on that other thread Allan

[AllanMar]

Nice, since people clearly wanted more on OxySan in a thread about Saniclean or Iodophor despite no one asking.

Since you seem to like antidoctal experiments/other peoples experience more then anything else in these sorts of discussions. How about John Palmers...

http://www.howtobrew.com/section1/chapter2-2-1.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (Under cleaners)

Percarbonates
Sodium percarbonate is sodium carbonate (i.e. Arm and Hammer Super Washing Soda) reacted with hydrogen peroxide and it is a very effective cleaner for all types of brewing equipment. It rinses easily. Several products (e.g. Straight-A, Powder Brewery Wash, B-Brite, and One-Step) are approved by the FDA as cleaners in food-manufacturing facilities. One-Step is labeled as a light cleaner and final rinse agent, and produces hydrogen peroxide in solution. Hydrogen peroxide will effectively sanitize surfaces and containers that are already clean. As with all sanitizers, the effectiveness of hydrogen peroxide as a sanitizing agent is comprimised by organic soil. Use these cleaners according to the manufacturer's instructions, but generally use one tablespoon per gallon (4 ml per liter) and rinse after cleaning.

In my opinion, percarbonate-based cleaners are the best choice for equipment cleaning, and Straight-A from Logic Inc., and Powder Brewery Wash (PBW) from Five Star Chemicals, Inc. are the best of them. These products combine sodium metasilicate with the percarbonate in a stable form which increases its effectivity and prevents the corrosion of metals like copper and aluminum that strong alkaline solutions can cause.

http://www.howtobrew.com/section1/chapter2-2-3.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Star San
Star San is an acidic sanitizer from the makers of PBW and was developed especially for sanitizing brewing equipment. It requires only 30 seconds of contact time and does not require rinsing. Unlike other no-rinse sanitizers, Star San will not contribute off-flavors at higher than recommended concentrations. The recommended usage is one fluid ounce per 5 gallons of water. The solution can be put in a spray bottle and used as a spray-on sanitizer for glassware or other items that are needed in a hurry. The foam is just as effective as immersion in the solution. Also, the surfactant used in Star San will not affect the head retention of beer like those used in detergents.

Star San is my preferred sanitizer for all usages except those that I can conveniently do in the dishwasher. A solution of Star San has a long usage life and an open bucket of it will remain active for several days. Keeping a solution of Star San in a closed container will increase its shelf life. The viability of the solution can be judged by its clarity; it turns cloudy as the viability diminishes.

One last note on this product: Because it is listed as a sanitizer and bactricide by the FDA and EPA, the container must list disposal warnings that are suitable for pesticides. Do not be alarmed, it is less hazardous to your skin than bleach.

H2O2 can be an effective sanitizer, but I don't believe it to be the best for our applications. I love that your basing your decision on the fraction of a percent of surfactant that StarSan contains (or the fraction of a percent of FDA certified proprietary ingredients). You do know Star-San's cousin Saniclean (the relevant topic) doesn't contain the surfactant right?

I've gotten concetrated StarSan on my hands before, id suggest rinsing it off, but I don't consider it a serious risk. As far as MSDS sheets go, thats a pretty tame one.

ps. You stay on that other thread Allan

To quote someone else on here... "Sorry that's antagonistic" and that's "Pompeous". Look at all the work your making for the mods moving posts..... Who was concerned about that previously?

[GuingesRock]

sorry, that remark was intended as being playful ...not malicious. The discussion before got heated though. I like the information you provided.