Not decocting

[amartin]

Hey all,

I'm making a "Munich dunkel" this weekend (quotations for ale yeast), and I've always made it with a decoction mash, usually a double. However, due to time and motivation constraints, I'm thinking of skipping this part in favour of malt substitutions. I've read that using some melanoiden or aromatic malt can be a substitute, but I've never done this before. Which malt type would you use, and how much? The rest of the recipe will be more or less split between munich and domestic two row, maybe with some chocolate or carafa for colour.

[RubberToe]

Melanoiden, 5-10% depending on how malty you want it. Did you have any of my dunkel? I can check my percentage later when I'm home.

[amartin]

I don't think I have. Yeah, please let me know.

[RubberToe]

Yeah mine's 10% melanoiden. My only regret is only making 5 gallons.

It's getting really low, you should come by for some before it's gone.

Recipe Specifications
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Boil Size: 29.3 l
Post Boil Volume: 23.3 l
Batch Size (fermenter): 21.5 l
Bottling Volume: 19.0 l
Estimated OG: 1.050 SG
Estimated Color: 21.9 SRM
Estimated IBU: 24.7 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 77.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 80.6 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes
Ingredients:
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Amt Name Type # %/IBU
34.0 l Munich, Germany Water 1 -
6.00 g Chalk (Mash 60.0 mins) Water Agent 2 -
2.00 g Baking Soda (Mash 60.0 mins) Water Agent 3 -
3550.0 g Munich Malt - 12L (12.0 SRM) Grain 4 75.4 %
500.0 g Melanoiden Malt (20.0 SRM) Grain 5 10.6 %
500.0 g Vienna Malt (Gambrinus) (6.0 SRM) Grain 6 10.6 %
160.0 g Blackprinz (Briess) (500.0 SRM) Grain 7 3.4 %
11.0 g Warrior [15.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 8 20.5 IBUs
14.0 g Saaz [4.00 %] - Boil 20.0 min Hop 9 4.2 IBUs
1.0 pkg Munich Lager II (Wyeast Labs #2352) [124 Yeast 10 -
Mash Schedule: BIAB, Light Body
Total Grain Weight: 4710.0 g
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Name Description Step Temperature Step Time
Saccharification Add 34.0 l of water at 68.2 C 65.5 C 90 min
Sparge: Remove grains, and prepare to boil wort
Notes:
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90 minute single infusion, no false bottom, element off.
90 minute boil.