Establishment of NS branch of Beerthief Artisanal Beer Club

[Beerthief]

Well answered Chris, thank you for your lucidity.

As was said, Tom and I did a lot of legwork talking to the other liquor boards etc before Chris was involved and inviting him to join us just seemed a no brainer from his involvement with doing special orders in NS already. I apologize if this has ruffled some feathers over there, we certainly had no intention of putting anyone out, either connected with Brewnosers or not.

As for the Hells Angels, Chris is correct. Go have a look at advrider.com, I spend a lot of time there and it's a huge, varied, fun, informative site where I have met many excellent like minded people and as I said it my motivator for creating our forum.

Now I have to go catch a plane.

[GuingesRock]

Being incorporated as a society (I believe the Brewnosers are not) is another step in the direction of establishing legitimacy.

Would there be any interest in incorporating the Brewnosers as a society, and would it help with this? I don't know how much that would cost, but I incorporated a company once with a Halifax office and it cost $1,200. If it was an option that would enhance the powers of the Brewnosers for this kind of thing, I would chip in $50 - $100.

[mr x]

Iirc, Jeff has the name registered somehow.

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[mr x]

Cheesehead: Yes, the plan is to expand into NB and PEI as well, so if you are interested in taking part, be sure to contact Mike/Beerthief via email. As this will be a way to bring in and distribute beer not otherwise available in the province, the Quebec connection will see less and less use, until it is no longer needed.

GRock: I don't believe there are any Hell's Angels contingents on the forums Mike is referring to, they are more touring/adventure bike-related. I can assure you there are none associated with this project.

X:I'm sorry for not having announced it correctly, do you have a suggestion on how I could have done it differently? I didn't want to presume taking the Brewnoser name for the group, as I have not taken a poll of the membership to check if they were OK with it. However, the Beerthief name, already established as a beer purchasing group in Nfld, was easily attached, especially because two of the NS directors are the founders of the Nfld group. And as I've mentioned above, when trying to bring in orders through the NSLC, Premier or contacting breweries and distributors directly, I have mentioned the Brewnosers, talked about our extensive membership base, but that still hasn't convinced them. However, now that I can point them to the great success the Nfld group is having, they will take us seriously (it already has happened). Being incorporated as a society (I believe the Brewnosers are not) is another step in the direction of establishing legitimacy. Before I was attached to this project, there have been lots of steps that have gone on, so there were no Brewnosers involved then. And while the Society will of course be opening the offers to the Brewnosers, the idea is to open it it to everyone in the province, and it wouldn't be practical to have a different name for every group involved.

Jimmy: Thanks for the encouragement. Care to be a signatory? As I said in my response to X, the two directors did a lot of work in the province before I was attached, so it made sense to keep the name of their already-established group. However, if that is a big sticking point and we (the royal we) think it will hold back the club, I'll be sure that we discuss it.

I'm trying to hit all of your points, hopefully I didn't miss any. Besides the name of the society and the way I announced it here (not much I can do now), are there other concerns I can answer?

While they have done legwork with the NSLC, we have done the legwork with the bodies. I think it's a good idea, but there are a lot of big 'if's' for us in NS, as we have already found out when encroaching on someone's self appointed fiefdom. I'm all for it, but we retain the Brewnosers name for our business. Otherwise, it's dead to me. I don't think it's too much to ask...

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[mr x]

As was said, Tom and I did a lot of legwork talking to the other liquor boards etc before Chris was involved and inviting him to join us just seemed a no brainer from his involvement with doing special orders in NS already. I apologize if this has ruffled some feathers over there, we certainly had no intention of putting anyone out, either connected with Brewnosers or not.

But keep in mind, bringing in Chris was bringing in us.

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[Beerthief]

Ok mr x, I see your point that it was bringing in "you" again there was no intention of trying to take anything away from Brewnosers, only to try to help fill a void that was identified. Just trying help help bring good beer to great people as stated on our website.

How do you propose to add "brewnosers" to the whole concept?

[mr x]

I'm not sure, but it was something that I wanted to be given good discussion before things got to far along. Ultimately, it's your operation, and up to you guys if and how to do any integration. I'm not sure I could give you anything insightful, just a request for equal billing...I didn't detect any malicious intent, just watching out for unintended consequences, again from previous bad experiences.

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[GuingesRock]

Would a “Brewnoser’s Division of the Beerthief Artisanal Beer Club” be able to attack the remaining maritime provinces? under the "support and guidance of", or “collaboration with”, Beerthief.

[Beerthief]

Technically the Newfoundland Special Order Beer Club does not fall under the name Beerthief, it just gets called that a lot because that's the name of my company and I own the web domain that hosts the forum,and because Tom and I run our events under our company names of Beckett on Wine and Beerthief.

How about something similar there? Nova Scotia Special order Beer Club brought to you by our companies and Brewnosers? To give credit to the Brewnosers brand and community? Would that work for the owner of the Brewnosers brand?

We're trying to set it all up but the reality is that that an operational club there, even if we run it, is for the people who live in the province to bring them the benefit of private beer offerings they can't get currently.

[mr x]

I think that's sounding better.

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[Beerthief]

Tom and I will leave this discussion in Chris's capable hands for now as he's the man you all know and love.

cheers
mike

[mr x]

Very good. I still have fears over what's going to happen when premiere finds out. Should be fun, looking forward to it.

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[Jayme]

Personally, I don't see why a Nova Scotian division of this organization of this group should use the Brewnoser's name - though I also don't see any reason not to. I guess I just don't see why it's worth getting all worked up about. I fail to see how discussing something like the beer thief is any different than discussing the Seaport Beerfest, or Premier, or NSLC, etc. Maybe I'm missing something here.

Anyway, I don't mean to spark more argument, nor am I interested in defending my stand point. Just voicing my 2 cents. I am a strong supporter of exposing people to better, more interesting beer and will support/help out with this effort regardless of what it ends up being named.

[GuingesRock]

That sounds intelligent, but I don’t know all the ins and outs.

[mr x]

Maybe I'm missing something here.

It would be the equivalent of brewnosers going into beerthief terrain and using their network to add people to our organization with our name. I would expect people to be less than receptive to outright pissed.

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[LiverDance]

All y'all mofos need to save all your 2cents's for buying great beer I don't care if we called it wringling bros beer cirus, bring on the beer! We will run into resistance from established sources but we have to try. I really believe this will go well like everything else we put our minds to, shit look at this forum as an example. Can't wait to have my first pintfrom these orders

[Jayme]

Shit - if we can bring in cases for 2 cents a pop, how could it possibly fail?!?

[mr x]

I really believe this will go well like everything else we put our minds to, shit look at this forum as an example.

This is the crux of our concerns, making sure this forum's health continues. Traffic and content are life or death.

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[LiverDance]

I really believe this will go well like everything else we put our minds to, shit look at this forum as an example.

This is the crux of our concerns, making sure this forum's health continues. Traffic and content are life or death.

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Hey-Zues man we al love this forum, it ain't going anywhere. You and I both know this this the bestfourm we've seen and we've been doing this awhile

[mr x]

True, but previously, I was a member of two great sites that didn't turn out so well, and realistically, we need all the traffic we can hang onto.

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[Jayme]

So long as another forum isn't created for the NS chapter of the ordering group, how will it hurt traffic here? I would have thought it would generate more discussion about the beer being brought in?

[Tony L]

I really believe this will go well like everything else we put our minds to, shit look at this forum as an example.

This is the crux of our concerns, making sure this forum's health continues. Traffic and content are life or death.

Given the great bunch of guys that seem to get together well as well as having on-line discussion here, I doubt that this forum will suffer. I rather think it will grow.
Not only is it traffic and content, it is also membership growth to keep pace with those who leave. I have memberships with a lot of on line forums as well as e-mail chat sites and as for the forums, this one is my go to every day. The others I check in to every now and then. Being more local to me keeps my interest and I can't see myself leaving for any reason in the near future.

I can see Rob's point to a certain extent, but I believe that Mike and Co. are just trying to spread the love of being able to score great beer to the general public and with the interest it it, I think we can attract more worthwhile members.

My 0 cents ( rounded down to the nearest cent )

[mr x]

So long as another forum isn't created for the NS chapter of the ordering group, how will it hurt traffic here? I would have thought it would generate more discussion about the beer being brought in?

And that's exactly what I'm getting at. Because right now there is no plan at all.

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[bluenose]

I've been saying for a while, or at least thinking it anyway, that there should be a Brewnosers co-op that could be the purchasing division of the club. It could handle all group buys whether they're for grain, gear or hard to find brews. As a registered entity it would have better purchasing clout. It could even be a numbered company for that matter, but I doubt there'd be much competition out there for the Brewnoser name. As a not-for-profit, there may even be tax credits to be had.

My $0.02 rounded to $0.00

[benwedge]

Iirc, Jeff has the name registered somehow.

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If he does, it's never been registered with the Registry of Joint Stock Companies, which also includes society information.