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[mr x]

So what's the story with the gsp fight? How far out of whack was the scoring? Only round 1 was a split to gsp...


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[jeffsmith]

So what's the story with the gsp fight? How far out of whack was the scoring? Only round 1 was a split to gsp...


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If it wasn't a title fight, Hendricks would have won. He just didn't do enough to definitely take it from GSP. he even admitted that in the post fight press conference and Dana White tore a strip off him. Hendricks make the comment that he was only hitting GSP with 70% power.

[mr x]

But looking at those scorecards, they are unanimous except for round one, which was a split decision. I find it hard to believe that four rounds could be messed up and unanimously...

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[jeffsmith]

But looking at those scorecards, they are unanimous except for round one, which was a split decision. I find it hard to believe that four rounds could be messed up and unanimously...

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All depends on how the judges were scoring. I could see giving it to GSP. He landed a significant amount of jabs and leg kicks throughout the fight. He fought smart.

[mr x]

I didn't see the fight, but caught Dana White's ranting. He seems to be thinking he's bigger than the sport's judging, WWF style....

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[jeffsmith]

I didn't see the fight, but caught Dana White's ranting. He seems to be thinking he's bigger than the sport's judging, WWF style....

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Yeah, he's a bit much. It's a pretty regular rant from him. He's just pissed because GSP said after the fight that he needs to take time off for personal reasons.

[mr x]

I think he should be fined by the NSAC for his comments. It almost seems like using this as threat to go elsewhere with events, like Macau. I'll have to try and watch the fight though. I have seen bad decisions, but the scoring doesn't look insane on paper.....

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[jeffsmith]

I think he should be fined by the NSAC for his comments. It almost seems like using this as threat to go elsewhere with events, like Macau. I'll have to try and watch the fight though. I have seen bad decisions, but the scoring doesn't look insane on paper.....

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It's definitely worth watching. It was a great fight. Great card really.

Hendricks had the power, but GSP had volume. There's a bit of controversy in the first round. GSP had a choke sunk in and Hendricks clearly tapped. You don't see White jumping up and down about that though. It's pretty clear he's plateaued with the money he feels he can make off GSP and wants new blood holding the belt.

[mr x]

It looks bad when he's ranting like he was about gsp walking away. If Hendricks says that, yeah, that's to be happy expected. But this has a vince McMahon/bret Hart feel to it...not professional...

Not the first time gsp has been smashed up and won either. The old bj Penn fight was controversial, but I thought gsp won, even though he was cut up.

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[jeffsmith]

It looks bad when he's ranting like he was about gsp walking away. If Hendricks says that, yeah, that's to be happy expected. But this has a vince McMahon/bret Hart feel to it...not professional....

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That's definitely the direction it's headed. The guys that out on a big show with big power are going to get the cash, the legit athletes will be on the outside looking in.

[Jimmy]

Fight was close, but I think Hendricks won it. With that being said, I can see the "it has to be a clear victory in a title fight" being enough to give it to GSP.

[jeffsmith]

Fight was close, but I think Hendricks won it. With that being said, I can see the "it has to be a clear victory in a title fight" being enough to give it to GSP.

Yup, "to be the champ you have to beat the champ." Not sure why Hendricks didn't turn it up and just finish the fight.

[mr x]

But look at those scorecards. Rounds 2 through 5 were unanimous. Unless a person believes that one of those rounds should have been a 2 pointer, it's hard to disagree when they are split between the fighters. That leaves round one...a split decision. I can see fighters arguing these things, but not the guy running the organization...

Edit: that post was in response to Jimmy's, it just took forever to type it drunk on a cell, lol.

Probably won't get a chance to see it this week, left comp at home and only have an 8gb zip. Who the fuck rips events to 8.02 gb, lmfao.....almost as bad as me for downloading it hahaha

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[jeffsmith]

Those are the ones I go for. Always grab the 720p version. Usually around 8gb for 2-3 hours.

[mr x]

UFC 167: Official statistics provider says Johny Hendricks was more effective than Georges St-Pierre

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The debate continues over who won the UFC 167 main event between welterweight champion Georges St-Pierre and No. 1 contender Johny (Bigg Rigg) Hendricks.
Georges St-Pierre could be a great champion who fights one fight too many

As the official statistics provider to the UFC, FightMetric has all the numbers on who did what in last Saturday’s showdown in Las Vegas. But it is not about to step into the victory debate.

The judges awarded St-Pierre a split (48-47, 47-48, 48-47) decision, meaning two of the three gave him three of the five rounds while the dissenting judge awarded Hendricks three rounds.

FightMetric’s Effectiveness Score, used to crunch the numbers of key fights, has Hendricks holding a narrow 364-315 edge overall.

The Effectiveness Score is generated by an algorithm that takes the raw data from a fight and interprets it based on what has worked in previous bouts.

“Who deployed effective techniques better,” FightMetric director Rami Genauer said.

Points are assigned to various techniques. For example, a power strike to the head is worth more than a non-power leg kick.

While stressing he is not in the fight judging business, Genauer terms the GSP-Hendricks showdown a close contest that saw Hendricks the more effective fighter.

“I don’t think that there’s any reason to think this was enormous robbery. We can show you other fight that are not even close — that a fighter who got the decision was nowhere near his opponent in terms of effectiveness. You wonder what the judges were looking at sometimes. But this was not one of those fights.

“Even though St-Pierre has the lower score in the first round, which is the one that makes the difference, it’s not by so much that you couldn’t make the argument for why he couldn’t have won that round based on the fact that he had the only submission attempt, based on the fact that they each had a takedown. So it’s not something to get bent out of shape about, I think.”

Looking at the Effectiveness Score numbers, Hendricks was more effective in rounds one, two and four with GSP holding the edge in three and five. Round four has the largest gap between the two fighters, with Hendricks leading 74-39.

Round three was the closest, using the Effectiveness Score numbers, with St-Pierre ahead 91-81.

“It shows in general that the fight was closely contested,” Genauer said. “When you have one fighter that blows the other one of the water, you’re going to see differences of 50-60 points per round and then over the course of the fight it’s going to add up to hundreds.

“Our website has many many examples of these. You can see what a truly decisive victory is.”

For example, it was 464-154 for St-Pierre over Nick Diaz at UFC 158.

Genauer is quick to point out that the Effectiveness Score does not replicate the current judging system and its criteria.

“So it’s not like you could say that the judges were either right or wrong based on the number that the Effective Score calculates,” Genauer said from Washington, D.C. “It’s an alternative way of looking at the fight to ask the question who is more effective based on what is statistically proven to work in the past.”

The judges assigned by the Nevada State Athletic Commission scored the bout by evaluating mixed martial arts techniques ” such as effective striking, effective grappling, control of the ring/fighting area, effective aggressiveness and defence.”

The winner of each round gets 10 points, with the loser getting nine or less. Rounds usually are scored 10-9 unless they are particularly lopsided.

Judges Sal D’Amato and Tony Weeks scored rounds one, three and five for St-Pierre on Saturday in Las Vegas. Glenn Trowbridge scored the first, second and fourth for Hendricks.

UFC president Dana White, irate at the decision for GSP, gave all but round three to Hendricks.

St-Pierre held a 101-85 edge in significant strikes over the five rounds, according to FightMetric. And GSP held the edge in rounds one (19-18), three (31-15) and five (9-4) while Hendricks led in rounds two (30-28) and four (18-4).

Hendricks, however, led 142-125 in total strikes.

Drilling down into the FightMetric numbers also offers some insight into why St-Pierre showed far more facial damage than Hendricks.

The challenger landed 32 power shots to the head (out of 89 attempts) while GSP was good on 17 of 67 such shots.

“When people say that St-Pierre may have landed more but Hendricks landed better, I think that’s probably what they’re referring to,” Genauer said.

The champion was good on three of six takedown attempts while Hendricks landed two of four.

[jeffsmith]

The challenger landed 32 power shots to the head (out of 89 attempts) while GSP was good on 17 of 67 such shots.

“When people say that St-Pierre may have landed more but Hendricks landed better, I think that’s probably what they’re referring to,” Genauer said.

The champion was good on three of six takedown attempts while Hendricks landed two of four.

Volume and takedowns are what won it for GSP. I watched the fight again last night and while I still see the argument for Hendricks—GSP was busy the whole fight. As long as humans are judging, and takedowns rule—that's the way fights are going to continue to be judged in the future.

Also, I still think Hendricks got away from a tap in the first round. It actually looked as though he tapped twice. Had the choke not broke, he likely would have tapped again.

[mr x]

Groves-Froch this afternoon was epic, with an ending that would have made Dana White's head explode in rage. I'm still looking for pieces of mine, lol.

Pacquiao-Rios in a few hours...

[LeafMan66_67]

Got a site for the Groves - Foch for download?

[mr x]

I'll look, but a lot of my stuff comes from private sites....

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[mr x]

Pacquiao stream, not greatest quality though, wiziwig.tv seems to be down...

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[mr x]

Fuck, Rios is tough but didn't have a very good gameplan. Blowout.....

[LeafMan66_67]

He just kept smiling and taking it.

[mr x]

He's always smiling, but usually he's in tight slugging it out...ot last night. Groves/Froch was one of the best of the year, regardless of the crazy ending.

[mr x]

San Diego Superchargers...

[LiverDance]

San Diego Superchargers...