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So how did the fire start again?

Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 7:56 pm
by mr x
I take home old coffee grinds from work to keep cats out of the garden.

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Re: So how did the fire start again?

Posted: Mon May 19, 2014 12:18 pm
by GuingesRock
I don't get the question? What's going on in the pictures Rob?

Re: So how did the fire start again?

Posted: Mon May 19, 2014 12:22 pm
by mr x
That is the remnants of a round coffee filter. I left it outside in the bowl to dry out.

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Re: So how did the fire start again?

Posted: Mon May 19, 2014 12:35 pm
by Jimmy
I'm going to guess the shape/reflective properties of the bowl caused the fire?


Re: So how did the fire start again?

Posted: Mon May 19, 2014 1:40 pm
by mr x
That's the best I can guess. Sunshine lit it up.

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Re: So how did the fire start again?

Posted: Tue May 20, 2014 7:59 am
by GuingesRock
Some other thoughts .....

Campers use dried coffee grounds as fire lighters, which suggests to me that they have a lot of oil in them. If that is the case, then spontaneous combustion might be another possibility. The paper filter might have soaked up the oil and then spontaneously caught fire.

The bowl doesn't look the right shape and the paper would have had to be at the optical focus point of the bowl, and it doesn't look like it would have been. A lot of the reflective curved area of the bowl would have been covered by the filter and grounds.

Also, the coffee grounds might have acted like a mini compost heap, and compost heaps heat up and catch fire. So do stacks of damp hay bales.

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Re: So how did the fire start again?

Posted: Tue May 20, 2014 8:03 am
by mr x
These are possible as well. I have also considered that a bee flew into the focal point of the bowl, was shot down in flames, and lit the filter on fire.

Re: So how did the fire start again?

Posted: Tue May 20, 2014 8:31 am
by GuingesRock
A "May Bee?" :D

Might be a spontaneous combustion process assisted by the sun heating up the metal bowl and creating a kind of oven.

But, the curved part of the bowl has a tight radius and the focal point would therefor be close. So that theory is still a strong contender.

Re: So how did the fire start again?

Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 9:07 pm
by GuingesRock
GuingesRock wrote:
But, the curved part of the bowl has a tight radius and the focal point would therefor be close. So that theory is still a strong contender.
Can you put a plain paper filter in the bowl out in the sun, without the coffee grounds?

Re: So how did the fire start again?

Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 10:01 pm
by mr x
yeah, next time the sun comes out.

Re: So how did the fire start again?

Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 10:47 am
by akr71
GuingesRock wrote:
But, the curved part of the bowl has a tight radius and the focal point would therefor be close. So that theory is still a strong contender.

Can you put a plain paper filter in the bowl out in the sun, without the coffee grounds?
I suspect that the coffee grinds, or rather their colour, were a large contributing factor. A plain filter might not do much.