Keith's Rye Altbier

User avatar
Keith
Award Winner 6
Award Winner 6
Posts: 6478
Joined: Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:55 pm
Name: Keith
Location: Lower Sackville, NS

Keith's Rye Altbier

Post by Keith » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:02 pm

I believe this is no where's near style IMO, but not a judge to distinguish. Different beer to say the least, Spicy Rye character /w a descent bitterness followed by a caramel finish. I think the caramel is due to my large amounts of Caramunich, Munich and Vienna in this beer consisting of 50% of the grain build. My buddy who likes malty beers absolutely loved this beer, personally I can drink it, but not in love.

Recipe: Sticke Altbier
Brewer: Keith Forbes
Style: Düsseldorf Altbier
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (30.0)

Recipe Specifications
--------------------------
Boil Size: 59.08 l
Post Boil Volume: 49.09 l
Batch Size (fermenter): 44.00 l
Bottling Volume: 38.00 l
Estimated OG: 1.049 SG
Estimated Color: 12.6 SRM
Estimated IBU: 52.8 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 72.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 77.2 %
Boil Time: 90 Minutes

Ingredients:
------------
Amt Name Type # %/IBU
66.42 l Altbier, Cali Common, ESB, Irish Red, Am Water 1 -
13.14 g Epsom Salt (MgSO4) (Mash 60.0 mins) Water Agent 2 -
8.14 g Calcium Chloride (Mash 60.0 mins) Water Agent 3 -
7.00 g Gypsum (Calcium Sulfate) (Mash 60.0 mins Water Agent 4 -
7 lbs Bohemian Pilsner (2.0 SRM) Grain 5 30.6 %
4 lbs Munich Malt (Type I) (9.0 SRM) Grain 6 17.5 %
4 lbs Rye Malt (4.7 SRM) Grain 7 17.5 %
4 lbs Vienna Malt (3.5 SRM) Grain 8 17.5 %
3 lbs 8.0 oz Caramunich Malt (56.0 SRM) Grain 9 15.3 %
6.0 oz Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM) Grain 10 1.6 %
1.00 oz Warrior [17.00 %] - First Wort 90.0 min Hop 11 33.4 IBUs
4.00 oz Saaz [3.60 %] - Boil 20.0 min Hop 12 14.6 IBUs
4.00 oz Saaz [3.60 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 13 4.8 IBUs
2.0 pkg Safale American (DCL/Fermentis #US-05) Yeast 14 -


Mash Schedule: BIAB, Light Body
Total Grain Weight: 22 lbs 14.0 oz
----------------------------
Name Description Step Temperat Step Time
Saccharification Add 66.42 l of water at 154.8 F 148.0 F 90 min
Mash Out Heat to 168.0 F over 7 min 168.0 F 10 min

Sparge: If steeping, remove grains, and prepare to boil wort
Notes:
------
Brewer, Owner & Operator @ Ol' Biddy's Brew House
:cheers2:

User avatar
dean2k
Verified User
Verified User
Posts: 1172
Joined: Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:08 pm
Name: deano
Location: Sackville, NB

Re: Keith's Rye Altbier

Post by dean2k » Tue Feb 24, 2015 5:23 pm

I think a Sticke Alt is bigger and hoppier than your recipe description ... but can't wait! :cheers2:
.............................................

User avatar
Keith
Award Winner 6
Award Winner 6
Posts: 6478
Joined: Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:55 pm
Name: Keith
Location: Lower Sackville, NS

Re: Keith's Rye Altbier

Post by Keith » Tue Feb 24, 2015 5:24 pm

yea it's not super hoppy. Get the Spicyness from the Saaz and Rye kind of blend.
Brewer, Owner & Operator @ Ol' Biddy's Brew House
:cheers2:

User avatar
dean2k
Verified User
Verified User
Posts: 1172
Joined: Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:08 pm
Name: deano
Location: Sackville, NB

Re: Keith's Rye Altbier

Post by dean2k » Thu Mar 12, 2015 5:10 pm

Winner winner chicken dinner! A little grainy, but super tasty. Gives me confidence to use S-05 for my next altbier. Cheers keith!
.............................................

User avatar
Keith
Award Winner 6
Award Winner 6
Posts: 6478
Joined: Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:55 pm
Name: Keith
Location: Lower Sackville, NS

Re: Keith's Rye Altbier

Post by Keith » Thu Mar 12, 2015 6:48 pm

It's my first altbier other than a fest, how would you say it holds up to style.
Brewer, Owner & Operator @ Ol' Biddy's Brew House
:cheers2:

User avatar
Keith
Award Winner 6
Award Winner 6
Posts: 6478
Joined: Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:55 pm
Name: Keith
Location: Lower Sackville, NS

Re: Keith's Rye Altbier

Post by Keith » Thu Mar 12, 2015 6:48 pm

Festa*
Brewer, Owner & Operator @ Ol' Biddy's Brew House
:cheers2:

User avatar
amartin
Award Winner 8
Award Winner 8
Posts: 1741
Joined: Fri May 20, 2011 12:49 pm
Location: Hammonds Plains

Re: Keith's Rye Altbier

Post by amartin » Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:34 pm

Huge sweet caramel aroma with flavour to match. I'm not smelling a lot of hops, but there's some in the flavour, sort of a minty/herbal thing. I like the deep amber colour. I'm not sure how close it is to an altbier, but good.

User avatar
mumblecrunch
Award Winner 2
Award Winner 2
Posts: 1147
Joined: Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:01 pm
Name: Aaron
Location: Halifax

Re: Keith's Rye Altbier

Post by mumblecrunch » Sat Mar 14, 2015 5:41 pm

amartin wrote:Huge sweet caramel aroma with flavour to match. I'm not smelling a lot of hops, but there's some in the flavour, sort of a minty/herbal thing. I like the deep amber colour. I'm not sure how close it is to an altbier, but good.
I didn't get much caramel off the aroma but I was a bit stuffed up last night. I also don't know from Altbier, so I can't help with the question as to whether it's to style.

I will say I felt like this was probably the spiciest of the beers so far, which is probably owing to the combination of rye with the noble hop variety. And if nothing else, this exchange is teaching me that I like that spiciness. Thanks Keith.

User avatar
Keith
Award Winner 6
Award Winner 6
Posts: 6478
Joined: Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:55 pm
Name: Keith
Location: Lower Sackville, NS

Re: Keith's Rye Altbier

Post by Keith » Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:01 pm

Haha fuck. I dunno what I presented.
Brewer, Owner & Operator @ Ol' Biddy's Brew House
:cheers2:

User avatar
LiverDance
Award Winner 6
Award Winner 6
Posts: 3997
Joined: Fri Sep 24, 2010 4:50 pm
Name: Brian
Location: Sprybeeria

Re: Keith's Rye Altbier

Post by LiverDance » Sun Mar 15, 2015 2:05 pm

Having this one now. Nice form bitterness to back up the malt profile. Drinks as a very dry beer which is a bit of a surprise with all the caramunich. Nice rye spice to it as well. Nice beer Keith


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
"Twenty years ago — a time, by the way, that hops such as Simcoe and Citra were already being developed, but weren’t about to find immediate popularity — there wasn’t a brewer on earth who would have gone to the annual Hop Growers of American convention and said, “I’m going to have a beer that we make 4,000 barrels of, one time a year. It flies off the shelf at damn near $20 a six-pack, and you know what it smells like? It smells like your cat ate your weed and then pissed in the Christmas tree.” - Bell’s Brewery Director of Operations John Mallet on the scent of their popular Hopslam.

User avatar
Ruby
Verified User
Verified User
Posts: 161
Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:34 pm
Name: Ruby
Location: Halifax

Re: Keith's Rye Altbier

Post by Ruby » Sun Mar 15, 2015 4:21 pm

I got the sweet malt aroma too. Warm, velvety malt on the tongue with a balanced bitter finish. Dry and refreshing. Nice big head.

My first Altbier, but not my last. I would definately like to make this myself. Great recipe!
Give a man a beer, and he'll waste an hour. Teach a man to brew, and he'll waste a lifetime.

User avatar
akr71
Award Winner 4
Award Winner 4
Posts: 2644
Joined: Fri Sep 24, 2010 7:18 pm
Name: Andy
Location: Amherst, NS

Re: Keith's Rye Altbier

Post by akr71 » Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:17 am

Lovely malty, but balanced beer
Andy
"Now son, you don't want to drink beer. That's for Daddies, and kids with fake IDs." - Homer J. Simpson

User avatar
Keith
Award Winner 6
Award Winner 6
Posts: 6478
Joined: Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:55 pm
Name: Keith
Location: Lower Sackville, NS

Re: Keith's Rye Altbier

Post by Keith » Mon Mar 16, 2015 6:08 pm

For those of you that drank this, what style would you say it best represents? I don't think it's an altbier. But only had a couple in my time.
Brewer, Owner & Operator @ Ol' Biddy's Brew House
:cheers2:

User avatar
dean2k
Verified User
Verified User
Posts: 1172
Joined: Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:08 pm
Name: deano
Location: Sackville, NB

Re: Keith's Rye Altbier

Post by dean2k » Mon Mar 16, 2015 7:25 pm

Keith, it had all the altbier characteristics of every (albeit few) alts that I've had or brewed, but everything about it was bigger. I'm thinking you might get away with labeling this a Sticke.
.............................................

User avatar
know1
Award Winner 1
Award Winner 1
Posts: 790
Joined: Tue May 10, 2011 9:59 pm
Name: Jeramy Slaunwhite
Location: Sackvegas

Re: Keith's Rye Altbier

Post by know1 » Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:35 pm

Dry finish with fragrant forward caramel and bready maltiness. Apparant rye spice with lingering bitterness. Great variation of the style, opened my eyes to it. I may have to experiment with this one in the future myself.

Thanks Keith.
Kegged: TNT IPA, Rocketfuel 2.0, Wet Hopped Pale (Chinook + Hallertau), Wet Hopped Red Rye, Smoked Belgian, Tripel, Bretty Bitter
Planning: Big Spruce Dubbel
Thinking: Lutra Lager

User avatar
dean2k
Verified User
Verified User
Posts: 1172
Joined: Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:08 pm
Name: deano
Location: Sackville, NB

Re: Keith's Rye Altbier

Post by dean2k » Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:34 am

Hey Keith. I don't know if you were thinking in competition terms when you posed that question, but just read that the current bjcp guidelines says: " . Both Sticke alt and Münster alt should be entered in the specialty category."
.............................................

User avatar
Keith
Award Winner 6
Award Winner 6
Posts: 6478
Joined: Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:55 pm
Name: Keith
Location: Lower Sackville, NS

Re: Keith's Rye Altbier

Post by Keith » Tue Mar 17, 2015 12:45 pm

Thanks for pointing that out. :cheers2:
Definitely based on the notes it would be 23a, but would of been 23A due to the Rye addition. Just wasn't sure if it maybe fell into another category.

Appreciate it.
Brewer, Owner & Operator @ Ol' Biddy's Brew House
:cheers2:

User avatar
CartoonCod
Award Winner 1
Award Winner 1
Posts: 849
Joined: Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:39 am
Name: Adam Comeau
Location: Halifax

Re: Keith's Rye Altbier

Post by CartoonCod » Fri Mar 20, 2015 8:25 pm

Nice beer, well fermented, nice dry finish. I like the balance between the hop character and the bitterness. The sweet caramel (edit* and raisin) malt character is a bit much for me though. If you add a bit of chocolate malt character, you'd probably fit in well with the American Brown Ale section (10C 2008, or 19C 2014 BJCP guidelines).

User avatar
GuingesRock
Award Winner 20+
Award Winner 20+
Posts: 5190
Joined: Wed May 29, 2013 2:26 pm
Name: Mark
Location: Wolfville, NS

Re: Keith's Rye Altbier

Post by GuingesRock » Sat Mar 21, 2015 5:23 pm

I acquired a bottle of this today from the man himself. He crawled out of his tunnel in the snow. Sackville has double anywhere else I've seen. It was incredible.

You made a very nice beer Keith. Really enjoying it. Thanks.

:cheers2:

ps. Kathleen says "that is a lovely little beer, give Keith my congrats, regards, whatever is appropriate."
IMG_20150321_171001.jpg
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
-Mark
2nd place, Canadian Brewer of the Year, 2015
101 awards won for beers designed and brewed.
Cicerone Program - Certified Beer Server

User avatar
Keith
Award Winner 6
Award Winner 6
Posts: 6478
Joined: Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:55 pm
Name: Keith
Location: Lower Sackville, NS

Re: Keith's Rye Altbier

Post by Keith » Sat Mar 21, 2015 5:28 pm

Not bad for a beer with 30% Pilsner rest other grains.
Brewer, Owner & Operator @ Ol' Biddy's Brew House
:cheers2:

User avatar
Jimmy
Site Admin Award Winner
Site Admin Award Winner
Posts: 6984
Joined: Wed Sep 22, 2010 6:35 pm
Location: Halifax, NS

Re: Keith's Rye Altbier

Post by Jimmy » Sat Mar 21, 2015 6:24 pm

Keith wrote:Not bad for a beer with 30% Pilsner rest other grains.
THOSE DAMN CRYSTAL MALTS! :lol:

User avatar
Keith
Award Winner 6
Award Winner 6
Posts: 6478
Joined: Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:55 pm
Name: Keith
Location: Lower Sackville, NS

Re: Keith's Rye Altbier

Post by Keith » Sat Mar 21, 2015 6:30 pm

Haha.
Brewer, Owner & Operator @ Ol' Biddy's Brew House
:cheers2:

User avatar
GuingesRock
Award Winner 20+
Award Winner 20+
Posts: 5190
Joined: Wed May 29, 2013 2:26 pm
Name: Mark
Location: Wolfville, NS

Re: Keith's Rye Altbier

Post by GuingesRock » Sat Mar 21, 2015 6:51 pm

I was going to say, the beer almost changed my mind on crystals, but still not sure if I would go that far. Don't tell anyone but my Working Man has some C30 in it ;) No one picked up on that.
-Mark
2nd place, Canadian Brewer of the Year, 2015
101 awards won for beers designed and brewed.
Cicerone Program - Certified Beer Server

User avatar
Jimmy
Site Admin Award Winner
Site Admin Award Winner
Posts: 6984
Joined: Wed Sep 22, 2010 6:35 pm
Location: Halifax, NS

Re: Keith's Rye Altbier

Post by Jimmy » Sat Mar 21, 2015 7:02 pm

GuingesRock wrote:I was going to say, the beer almost changed my mind on crystals, but still not sure if I would go that far. Don't tell anyone but my Working Man has some C30 in it ;) No one picked up on that.
:thumbup:

User avatar
GuingesRock
Award Winner 20+
Award Winner 20+
Posts: 5190
Joined: Wed May 29, 2013 2:26 pm
Name: Mark
Location: Wolfville, NS

Re: Keith's Rye Altbier

Post by GuingesRock » Sat Mar 21, 2015 7:12 pm

Actually, I should say no one online. Keely picked up on that right away when I first made it and she was drinking a glass of it. It's subtle in there though.
-Mark
2nd place, Canadian Brewer of the Year, 2015
101 awards won for beers designed and brewed.
Cicerone Program - Certified Beer Server

Post Reply

Return to “7. Amber Hybrid Beer”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest