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Re: Barrel Filling - Round 2

Post by Dirt Chicken » Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:46 pm

mr x wrote:I'll bring up a few lbs of pale chocolate with me tomorrow. You might still get special B at noble grape, but we were using caramunich 120 from an NCM order. I'll see what I have left, but check with the locals too.
I think I still have some CM120 left, no special b at NG. Basically I was looking back through the threads and saw many variations on the recipe, and was wondering what the majority is going with for consistency
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Re: Barrel Filling - Round 2

Post by LiverDance » Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:07 pm

This is what was mostly followed on the previous round. I think the majority of the subs were CM120 for the special b and magnum for the Horizon hops.

MO 77.4
Roasted Barley 8.5
Special B 5.6
CaraMunich 2.8
Chocolate - 2.8
Pale Chocolate - 2.8

77 IBU
OG 1.098

Hop scheduel is:
(43g)Horizon @60m to 64.4 IBU's
(57g)Kent Goldings @10m to 6.6 IBU's
(57g)Kent Goldings @1m to 5.5 IBU's

Mash temp is 154F
and Yeast is US-05
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Re: Barrel Filling - Round 2

Post by GillettBreweryCnslt » Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:09 pm

This was my recipe, which is going in this barrel. I sub'd CM120 for the Special B and I sub'd Fuggles for the Kent Goldings

Maris Otter - 77.43%
Roasted Barley - 8.58%
Caramel Munich 120 - 5.60%
Caramel/Crystal Malt - 75L - 2.80%
Chocolate Malt - 2.80%
Pale Chocolate Malt - 2.80%
Magnum [13.60 %] (60 min) - 64.5 IBU
Fuggles [4.00 %] (10 min) - 7.2 IBU
Fuggles [4.00 %] (5 min) - 4.0 IBU
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Things to note: Set your brewhouse efficiency to 55-60%. My normal efficiency is 70-75% and I used 55% for this brew. I hit all of my numbers exactly. You'll have to use a starter for your yeast, or if using a US-05 dry, hit it with at least 23g. Mash at a little lower then suggested, I mashed at 150F, you could probably go a bit lower. Also, pray to the fermenting gods...lol!

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Re: Barrel Filling - Round 2

Post by maltster » Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:51 pm

Is kiln coffee a suitable sub for pale chocolate?

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Re: Barrel Filling - Round 2

Post by know1 » Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:23 pm

If there's a few of us going to NG for the MO we should look at a full bag...or two if they have them on hand. I'm doubtful that the NCM order will be soon enough to wait on. I'm thinking more time the better considering some of the attenuation issues in the first bunch
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Re: Barrel Filling - Round 2

Post by LiverDance » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:13 pm

I was thinking we could put together a group brew day? Any one interested? I could host on August 18 and have the capability of brewing 120 liters in a 7 hours session.
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Re: Barrel Filling - Round 2

Post by mr x » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:52 pm

Before you go running off to NG for MO, I'd consider using 2-row and a bit of vienna or munich in this beer.

And I'd say pale choc and kiln coffee are close enough.
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Re: Barrel Filling - Round 2

Post by maltster » Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:45 pm

I don't have any MO either, but I do have 2-row, vienna and munich. ;)

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Re: Barrel Filling - Round 2

Post by know1 » Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:59 am

mr x wrote:Before you go running off to NG for MO, I'd consider using 2-row and a bit of vienna or munich in this beer.

And I'd say pale choc and kiln coffee are close enough.



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Re: Barrel Filling - Round 2

Post by Dirt Chicken » Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:41 am

:rockin: I think I have like half a bag of MO left, but I'll have to check any leftovers will be up for whoever needs their grain bill topped up .

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Re: Barrel Filling - Round 2

Post by bluenose » Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:07 pm

LiverDance wrote:I was thinking we could put together a group brew day? Any one interested? I could host on August 18 and have the capability of brewing 120 liters in a 7 hours session.
possibly interested, but not sure what the schedule is...I'll have to stick a pin in it for now
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Re: Barrel Filling - Round 2

Post by GillettBreweryCnslt » Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:02 pm

My beer is good to go right now! I started at 1.100 and I'm at 1.029 as of today.

I'm going to rack it into a carboy tonight and just let her finish over the next month. It tastes excellent, smooth and warm. I'm interested to see how the second runnings turn out as well.

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Re: Barrel Filling - Round 2

Post by maltster » Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:52 pm

LiverDance wrote:I was thinking we could put together a group brew day? Any one interested? I could host on August 18 and have the capability of brewing 120 liters in a 7 hours session.
I would be interested as well. I'm not sure of my schedule yet.

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Re: Barrel Filling - Round 2

Post by mr x » Wed Jul 25, 2012 8:08 pm

I have a couple lbs of Pale Choc in hfx for anyone interested.
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Post by bluenose » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:31 pm

mr x wrote:I have a couple lbs of Pale Choc in hfx for anyone interested.
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Re: Barrel Filling - Round 2

Post by mr x » Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:30 am

I can give you some other stuff I have in NG, so this is still available.
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Re: Barrel Filling - Round 2

Post by Dirt Chicken » Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:36 am

mr x wrote:I have a couple lbs of Pale Choc in hfx for anyone interested.
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Re: Barrel Filling - Round 2

Post by bluenose » Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:55 am

mr x wrote:I can give you some other stuff I have in NG, so this is still available.
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Re: Barrel Filling - Round 2

Post by Dirt Chicken » Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:31 pm

any idea if golden promise can be sub'd for the MO in this recipe?

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Re: Barrel Filling - Round 2

Post by mr x » Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:35 pm

It can be, but be prepared to scale back on your efficiency even further than for a big beer, as I've found GP has a lower yield than regular MO.
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Re: Barrel Filling - Round 2

Post by Dirt Chicken » Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:37 pm

I think you're right, maybe I'll go the 2row and vienna munich subs

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Re: Barrel Filling - Round 2

Post by maltster » Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:07 pm

What is the general consensus on subbing MO with a 2row/vienna and/or munich combination? I'd like to sub because that's what I have in stock but those that have MO or have already brewed may not like that idea?

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Re: Barrel Filling - Round 2

Post by mr x » Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:12 pm

In a beer with this much roasted/oak/scotch flavour, I think the key is to try and get the specialty malts right, and not worry about the base malt.
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Re: Barrel Filling - Round 2

Post by Jayme » Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:19 pm

mr x wrote:In a beer with this much roasted/oak/scotch flavour, I think the key is to try and get the specialty malts right, and not worry about the base malt.
Yes exactly - if you can tell the difference between a RIS brewed with Canadian 2-row vs. MO (and identical specialty grains of course), either you're lying or have super human taste buds!
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Re: Barrel Filling - Round 2

Post by akr71 » Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:50 pm

OK, I just went through this whole thread a second time - maybe I missed it. When are we looking at for a fill date (approx) for Round 2?

Us SAAZ folks were trying to work out a group brew, so maybe this project makes the most sense, since Graham and I are both scheduled to be in on it.

IMO, a Black IPA/CDA like Tim's Lucky Loonie could work well for Round 3.
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