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beersmith fine tuning

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:18 am
by jhennigar
Good morning! I'm fairly new to beersmith. Every time I brew I get a better result, but I thought I'd check in on this one before I follow it's advice. I'm brewing a 1 gallon test batch, a Falconer's Flight extract ale. John Palmer says to use 1lb of extract per gallon, but beersmith is telling me to use closer to 2lbs. I did a similar batch with citra about a month ago and followed beersmith's recommendation of 2lbs... as you can guess, it came out as a strong beer, approx 8%. It tasted decent though! I have a feeling the problem is with my boil kettle settings, since it's telling me my pre boil volume is a negative amount...

Here are pics from beersmith. The boil kettle page seems to be the root of the problem. I can turn off the auto calculate volume box, but it seems like there must be something I have in there wrong to make it happen in the first place. Anything jump out as strange that would make it give me such high extract amounts to add?

Thanks for the help,

Jeff

Re: beersmith fine tuning

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:19 am
by jhennigar
main page pic

Re: beersmith fine tuning

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:52 am
by AllanMar
Looks like you have 3 gallons of top up water in a 1 gallon batch

Re: beersmith fine tuning

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:49 am
by chicanuck
The Evaporation Rate of 2816% per hour seems just a touch on the high side.

Re: beersmith fine tuning

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:08 am
by mr x
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: beersmith fine tuning

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 12:04 pm
by jhennigar
Adjusting the top up water to 0 fixed the boil amounts and evaporation rates, thanks! not sure how I missed that...

it still says to put in 1lb and 14 oz of extract. That is a lot of a gallon batch, isn't it?

Re: beersmith fine tuning

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 12:04 pm
by jeffsmith
Depends on the OG you're trying to achieve.

Re: beersmith fine tuning

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 12:20 pm
by jhennigar
I'm making this so I can taste the hops, so I was aiming for a low 1.045ish. In the batch I did that beersmith said to use 2lbs It came out at 1.072!

Re: beersmith fine tuning

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 12:42 pm
by gm-
jhennigar wrote:I'm making this so I can taste the hops, so I was aiming for a low 1.045ish. In the batch I did that beersmith said to use 2lbs It came out at 1.072!
According to my beersmith profile, with the batch size set at 1 gal, you need 0.55 kg to achieve O.G of 1.045. 2 lb is around 1.074, using my settings.

Re: beersmith fine tuning

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 12:50 pm
by jhennigar
gm- wrote:
jhennigar wrote:I'm making this so I can taste the hops, so I was aiming for a low 1.045ish. In the batch I did that beersmith said to use 2lbs It came out at 1.072!
According to my beersmith profile, with the batch size set at 1 gal, you need 0.55 kg to achieve O.G of 1.045. 2 lb is around 1.074, using my settings.
I wonder what is different in my settings that is making it not accurate.... Thanks for taking the time to put it in!

Re: beersmith fine tuning

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:00 pm
by AllanMar
Save the recipe and post the BeerSmith file

Re: beersmith fine tuning

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:14 pm
by jhennigar
I appreciate the help!

Re: beersmith fine tuning

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:57 pm
by AllanMar
You've got loss to fermentation/trub at 0.5gal. So beersmith is actual calculating to brew a 1.5gal batch, hence the extra extract amount.

If you ditch the trub loss it comes out at ~1lb 4 oz extract, which sounds about right to me.

Re: beersmith fine tuning

Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:39 pm
by Two Wheeler
Shouldn't efficiency be set at 100% for extract?

Re: beersmith fine tuning

Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:32 pm
by jhennigar
Between the trub loss and the efficiency, I think I figured it out. Thanks for the help! Well, it will help for next time. I brewed it before all this good advice with 700ml of extract--my best guess estimate based on 1.3kg per 1L (I should really get a scale). The OG was high, 1.062. I'm getting closer! I don't plan on doing many 1 gallon batches, but it's helping me with using beersmith and tweaking recipes.

Thanks for the help everyone!