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Dry Hopping

Post by GuingesRock » Tue Jan 28, 2014 8:37 pm

I primary ferment and then keg condition. I’m thinking or throwing pellets in the primary. Is that as bad as they say it is? A lot of these things are theoretical. The CO2 bubbles are supposed to carry away “some” of the volatiles. I wonder if I used twice as much :think:

How do people dry hop? I’ve been searching for ages, and racking my brain, for a simple effective solution to dry hopping.

I’ve been thinking of ordering one or two of these to dry hop in the keg, but I keep holding off. Nothing seems like an ideal method.

I was throwing pellets loose in my kegs with shortened dip tubes, but after a while I got a few clogged dip tubes and got fed up with that. I wonder if I cut my tubes a bit shorter still if it would work better, but I’m not going to try it.

I've even done the Randall thing.
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Re: Dry Hopping

Post by Jimmy » Tue Jan 28, 2014 8:40 pm

I dry hop in primary after fermentation is complete.

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Post by jacinthebox » Tue Jan 28, 2014 8:43 pm

I dry hop in the secondary.
If you only use a primary, just dry hop around day 3 or 4...after most of the vigorous fermentation has taken place
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Re: Dry Hopping

Post by berley » Tue Jan 28, 2014 8:45 pm

Dry hop in primary, risk yeast "taking up" some of the hop aroma compounds. On the positive side, maybe the bit of CO2 that is still produced will take care of any oxygen introduced.

Rack to secondary to dry hop, you introduce another risk of infection, and possible oxidation (unless of course you purge the secondary fermentor with CO2). Plus side, you've racked off the yeast cake, so hopefully less chance of yeast interfering.

I've done both many times, and still I'm not sure what works best for me.

I think dry-hopping in the keg, if you can take care of the clogging issue, is probably your best bet.
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Post by jacinthebox » Tue Jan 28, 2014 8:46 pm

Or hook this up inline with your beer line, load with hops and enjoy. Probably wouldn't work...just thinking outloud
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Post by jtmwhyte » Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:00 pm

Stainless tea ball in the keg hasn't steered me wrong yet.
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Re: Dry Hopping

Post by NASH » Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:32 pm

Secondary dry-hopping will always be best for results and repeatable control :cheers2:

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Re: Dry Hopping

Post by GuingesRock » Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:40 pm

NASH wrote:Secondary dry-hopping will always be best for results and repeatable control :cheers2:
Greg, Do you have any comment on secondary dry hopping vs. dry hopping in the keg please?
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Re: Dry Hopping

Post by mr x » Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:43 pm

berley wrote:Dry hop in primary, risk yeast "taking up" some of the hop aroma compounds. On the positive side, maybe the bit of CO2 that is still produced will take care of any oxygen introduced.

Rack to secondary to dry hop, you introduce another risk of infection, and possible oxidation (unless of course you purge the secondary fermentor with CO2).
I don't think oxidation should be much of an issue, unless you are crazy bad at transferring. And I don't think purging is necessary either. The beer should degas a bit from the transfer, especially if hops are added later.

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Re: Dry Hopping

Post by berley » Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:48 pm

mr x wrote:I don't think oxidation should be much of an issue, unless you are crazy bad at transferring. And I don't think purging is necessary either. The beer should degas a bit from the transfer, especially if hops are added later.

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True... I just know that often in my case, I lose some beer due to heavy flameout and dry hopping, and then end up with more headspace in secondary than I'd like, so it always makes me a bit wary.

I believe some brewers actually degas everything the beer touches (tubing, fermentors, etc.) to minimize oxidation as much as possible, but maybe that doesn't make much of a difference on a small scale like homebrewers have. I dunno...
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Re: Dry Hopping

Post by gm- » Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:48 pm

I mainly dry hop in the primary after fermentation has slowed down, usually after 2 weeks or so. I have also used stainless tea infusers in the keg, but I found that the aromas were not nearly as strong, so I think I am going to stick with my other method.

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Re: Dry Hopping

Post by NASH » Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:15 pm

GuingesRock wrote:
NASH wrote:Secondary dry-hopping will always be best for results and repeatable control :cheers2:
Greg, Do you have any comment on secondary dry hopping vs. dry hopping in the keg please?
I've dry-hopped in kegs as a homebrewer and in serving tanks in breweries. For consistency you'll want to dry-hop for 3 days, or 6 days, or 9 days, whatever your preference for effect, 'your' recipe. It doesn't make sense to be depressurizing the vessel to remove hops from a tank of finished beer, it'll gas-out, you'll disturb sediment and or hop particulate etc. So how long is your beer on tap, 1 week, 2 weeks, 2 months? It will continuously change over time, after a point as unwanted matter leeches out it will not be for the better, chlorophyll and God knows what all comes into play. Some pro brewers won't dry-hop any longer than 3 days, and they do it multiple times, ejecting the spent hops from the conical bottom each time before hitting it with the next dose. Almost all big, delicious highly-rated hopped up beers from the famous brewers south of the border are dry-hopped multiple times. I wouldn't dry-hop anything longer than 10 days, tops. All I want from hops at this stage are precious essential oils, they only need enough time to melt into solution.

Don't get me wrong, back in the nineties I've had tanks of beer with kgs of bagged hop flowers in them for up to two months, possibly longer. The beer was still good, not great, nothing like it used to be and certainly not at all like the next batch coming in behind it.

I should note a few things: If I were going to pack hops inside of something, it'd be the teaball sort of device, that said you'll never get the sort of extraction potential by placing hops inside anything other than a tank full of beer. I do all dry-hopping after the primary ferment is complete and yeast has mostly dropped. Then I remove the yeast, I don't want hop pellets sinking into a yeast cake, that'd be somewhat inefficient. I don't want more yeast settling on top of the hops and I surely don't want autolysis occurring. I do all dry-hopping at 60 F or above and rouse the hops daily by briefly injecting CO2 into the bottom of the tank. This helps sink any floating hop matter as you're knocking out O2 and saturating them with sweet sweet beer. This also helps eliminate oxidation. Oxidation from the hops themselves, no matter the form pellets or cones, they're full of oxygen. There are many ways you can easily do this as a homebrewer if you think about it. It lends staying power to the finished brew and benefits oil extraction tremendously since you're physically 'stirring' the bed of hops. That bed is packed full of 'stuck' oils that would otherwise take much much longer to homogenize. Get 'em in, get that precious oil and get 'em out :cheers2:

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Re: Dry Hopping

Post by GuingesRock » Wed Jan 29, 2014 7:30 am

Thanks guys!

Greg, that answer was perfect! Thanks!

Now I think I can commit to a method with confidence.

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Re: Dry Hopping

Post by GuingesRock » Sun Mar 02, 2014 6:57 am

How long do people age a dry hopped IPA please? a) when does it become reasonably drinkable and b) when does it reach it's prime such that it can be sold to the public or entered in a competition etc.

I have some that was primary fermented for a week with a 5oz (10 gal batch) Amarillo pellet dry hop for the last 3 days of that week, then it was racked into kegs and keg conditioned for a week at room temp. Now it's just gone in the keezer.
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Post by jacinthebox » Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:24 am

I'm gonna dry hop In the keg...my el Dorado smash needs a hop kick...3oz will do...I'll pull the bag in a week.
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Re: Dry Hopping

Post by Tony L » Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:31 am

Great post Greg. I have learned something from it for sure, and will be trying it on my next brew.

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Post by GuingesRock » Wed May 14, 2014 4:12 pm

How long would you age a batch of beer after dry hopping for 3 days with pellets? does a beer need to age for another week or two if it has been dry hopped? I have a feeling this might be one of my issues.

What about whirlpool additions & hop stands? Do the need to be aged longer than straight forward late additions?

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Re: Dry Hopping

Post by LiverDance » Wed May 14, 2014 4:46 pm

it's best to drink hoppy beers as fresh as possilbe. I continually dry hop most of mine in the keg so there is 0 waiting time in between. I doubt this is one of your issues.
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Post by gm- » Wed May 14, 2014 5:11 pm

LiverDance wrote:it's best to drink hoppy beers as fresh as possilbe. I continually dry hop most of mine in the keg so there is 0 waiting time in between. I doubt this is one of your issues.
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Re: Dry Hopping

Post by dean2k » Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:58 am

What's the consensus on dry-hopping in the keg? Mesh bag/tea ball and remove before pressurizing? Or dump 'em in and forget about it?
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Post by LeafMan66_67 » Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:06 am

dean2k wrote:What's the consensus on dry-hopping in the keg? Mesh bag/tea ball and remove before pressurizing? Or dump 'em in and forget about it?
I prefer the mesh bag - I find my tea ball (4" from Lee Valley) gets too tightly packed, even with just an ounce. I use the bag so I don't clog dip tubes or poppets, and I can remove them when the flavour / aroma is where I want it.
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