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Fermentation Chamber w/ Peltier

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:11 pm
by ryantr0n
Has anyone explored this?

I'm kind of tight for space and am having trouble finding a chest freezer that is low to the ground and will hold 2 buckets/carboys.
I have ample room under my work bench for a custom plywood/foam chamber and could build it pretty easily.

Mainly just trying to figure out the best way to cool it down a bit. The room in the summer is ~23*C, so I don't need an incredible amount of cooling to hit 15-16*C.
Anyone have experience with peltier coolers? Or any other suggestion for cooling ~10*c without interchanging ice packs or something?

Re: Fermentation Chamber w/ Peltier

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:11 pm
by Graham.C
I'm intrested in the same if you find anything let me know. Otherwise you could just keep some 2L pop bottle of H2O in the freezer and swap them into the cooler every day or so.

Re: Fermentation Chamber w/ Peltier

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:10 am
by GAM
I had thought about a 7 gal insulated bucket with water to "ballance the temp on a carboy.

Sandy

Re: Fermentation Chamber w/ Peltier

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:19 am
by mr x
IIRC, morebeer uses them on their temp controlled conicals.

Re: Fermentation Chamber w/ Peltier

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:48 pm
by ryantr0n
I think I'm just going to go for it. Doesn't seem like a stretch to get down to 16*C from room temp. Peltiers are pretty cheap anyway.

Just need to come up with a good way to mount the Peltier into the foam and keep the hot side heatsink out of the way.

Re: Fermentation Chamber w/ Peltier

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:18 pm
by mr x
Do you plan to lager at 16c? That's pretty high....

Re: Fermentation Chamber w/ Peltier

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:38 pm
by GAM
Where are you getting the Peltier?

Sandy

Re: Fermentation Chamber w/ Peltier

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:06 pm
by ryantr0n
mr x wrote:Do you plan to lager at 16c? That's pretty high....
Primary ale fermentation around 16*C should land me at around 18*C in the middle of the beer, which is right where i want.

No lagering.

Re: Fermentation Chamber w/ Peltier

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:09 pm
by ryantr0n
GAM wrote:Where are you getting the Peltier?

Sandy
Ebay if I get one - now toying with the idea of wiring my shed for electricity and using a freezer for simplicity and flexibilities sake.

My only constraint and reasoning for the custom chamber was space - If i can make space, I can use a freezer and save time (and probably money).

Re: Fermentation Chamber w/ Peltier

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:27 pm
by GAM
If you can source at a good price we may do a group buy.

Sandy

Re: Fermentation Chamber w/ Peltier

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 2:55 pm
by Graham.C
Ryan, what did you end up doing? I'm debating the Peltier option, mostly because it seems like a fun project.

Re: Fermentation Chamber w/ Peltier

Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 2:08 pm
by mr x
Looks interesting...

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Re: Fermentation Chamber w/ Peltier

Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 2:47 pm
by GAM
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/TEC1-12706-Therm ... 565c578f14" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/2-PCS-TEC1-12706 ... 5d44d1b363" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Group buy for experiments?

Sandy

Re: Fermentation Chamber w/ Peltier

Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 3:46 pm
by dexter
I'd be up for trying it

Re: Fermentation Chamber w/ Peltier

Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 6:34 pm
by jtmwhyte
I've got a chamber matching this description. I'll get some pictures for you this evening. It's convection cooled using a computer fan, a thermostat and foam/ice.

Re: Fermentation Chamber w/ Peltier

Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 6:35 pm
by jtmwhyte
jtmwhyte wrote:I've got a chamber matching this description. I'll get some pictures for you this evening. It's convection cooled using a computer fan, a thermostat and foam/ice.
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Re: Fermentation Chamber w/ Peltier

Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 7:32 pm
by GuingesRock
GAM wrote:http://www.ebay.ca/itm/TEC1-12706-Therm ... 565c578f14
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/2-PCS-TEC1-12706 ... 5d44d1b363" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Group buy for experiments?

Sandy
Sandy, I don't think those units are powerful enough. I made a contraption, pictured below, with a much bigger unit and it was still no good in the end for my 12 gal ferment. You are welcome to have it, next time you are up this way.

Here’s an “exciting” video of a small thermo-electric cooler freezing a drop of water. It takes forever.





Those water coolers like the one pictured below have large peltier units, so if you found an old one of those, it might be worth playing with, but still probably wouldn’t be powerful enough to do the job.

Actually, come to think of it…I saw another big unit online that was used in the telecom industry ;)

Re: Fermentation Chamber w/ Peltier

Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 8:48 am
by GAM
I had thought of the water cooler. May revisit it. The peltier may require 2, 3, 4 or more. I don't need much temp drop so it may still be an option.

I have never seen a peltier in the Telco, I'll ask around.

Sandy

Re: Fermentation Chamber w/ Peltier

Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 10:32 am
by dexter
I need about 5 degrees in the summer and two in the winter to keep my cold room at 17 think they would be a viable solution?

Re: Fermentation Chamber w/ Peltier

Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 6:16 pm
by Jayme
The thing with peltiers is they're incredibly inefficient. They are handy because they don't take up much space. The article X posted is pretty neat though. I would certainly consider doing that if I buy a conical.


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Re: Fermentation Chamber w/ Peltier

Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:59 am
by Barr
My basement is usually around 18C and I'm happy with my results but sometimes I put the carboy in a larger bucket and put both in my laundry sink. I put my cold water hose down inside the bucket and just set the valve so there is always a continuos trickle of cold well water (9C ish) being introduced into the bottom of the bucket. Warm water rises and flows over top of bucket down into the sink and down the drain. Drop in a floating thermometer and adjust your flow accordingly. It uses a fair bit of water but I usually only run it for the first 4 days during peek fermentation. Cheap and easy.