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70qt or 100qt

Post by Graham.C » Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:57 pm

Hey guys,

In celebration of buying a grain mill I am also buying a cooler (MT). Is it better to go with the 100qt, or is 70 sufficient?

Forgive me if this has been answered in the past. I did a search but got lazy after the 3rd page of results.

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Re: 70qt or 100qt

Post by jeffsmith » Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:18 pm

As I mentioned to you the other evening I'm planning on going with 100qt when I finally get around to picking a cooler up. I based my decision on this chart from that "other" brewing forum:
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My reason for going 100qt is that I want to have the ability to do 10gallon batches of high gravity beers (barleywine, RIS, etc.). My thinking is that there can't be that much more heat loss over an hour with the 100qt even if it's not really full for every batch I brew and I don't want to put myself in the position of wishing that I had bought something larger if I go with a smaller cooler.
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Re: 70qt or 100qt

Post by CorneliusAlphonse » Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:31 pm

jeffsmith wrote:As I mentioned to you the other evening I'm planning on going with 100qt when I finally get around to picking a cooler up. I based my decision on this chart from that "other" brewing forum:
mltsizetable.gif
My reason for going 100qt is that I want to have the ability to do 10gallon batches of high gravity beers (barleywine, RIS, etc.). My thinking is that there can't be that much more heat loss over an hour with the 100qt even if it's not really full for every batch I brew and I don't want to put myself in the position of wishing that I had bought something larger if I go with a smaller cooler.
according to that chart, you could do ten gallons of 1.077 beer with a 52 quart mash tun. That means your 100 quart cooler would be half full at that gravity level. I think the heat loss would be pretty significant when half of what you're keeping warm is air, which has a tendency to escape. just my opinion
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Re: 70qt or 100qt

Post by Graham.C » Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:54 pm

CorneliusAlphonse wrote:
jeffsmith wrote:As I mentioned to you the other evening I'm planning on going with 100qt when I finally get around to picking a cooler up. I based my decision on this chart from that "other" brewing forum:
mltsizetable.gif
My reason for going 100qt is that I want to have the ability to do 10gallon batches of high gravity beers (barleywine, RIS, etc.). My thinking is that there can't be that much more heat loss over an hour with the 100qt even if it's not really full for every batch I brew and I don't want to put myself in the position of wishing that I had bought something larger if I go with a smaller cooler.
according to that chart, you could do ten gallons of 1.077 beer with a 52 quart mash tun. That means your 100 quart cooler would be half full at that gravity level. I think the heat loss would be pretty significant when half of what you're keeping warm is air, which has a tendency to escape. just my opinion
That's what I was wondering too. Especially if I do some experimental 5g batches now and then.
I wonder what sparging technique that table calculates for. I would like to experiment with no-sparge so bigger is better in that case.
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Re: 70qt or 100qt

Post by jeffsmith » Wed Nov 23, 2011 2:04 pm

CorneliusAlphonse wrote:according to that chart, you could do ten gallons of 1.077 beer with a 52 quart mash tun. That means your 100 quart cooler would be half full at that gravity level. I think the heat loss would be pretty significant when half of what you're keeping warm is air, which has a tendency to escape. just my opinion
That's a good point as well—I had thought that maybe wrapping it in blankets during the mash would reduce the amount of heat loss. I guess the question is then what's the best cooler-based (size and shape) mash tun you can buy to accommodate both 10 gallon and 5 gallon batches?

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Re: 70qt or 100qt

Post by LiverDance » Wed Nov 23, 2011 2:26 pm

FWIW I use a 70qt igloo cold max cooler for both 20 and 40 litre batches. I found that at my 70% efficeicy the cooler usually tops out at around 1.082 at 2.8l/kg on a 40 litre batch.
"Twenty years ago — a time, by the way, that hops such as Simcoe and Citra were already being developed, but weren’t about to find immediate popularity — there wasn’t a brewer on earth who would have gone to the annual Hop Growers of American convention and said, “I’m going to have a beer that we make 4,000 barrels of, one time a year. It flies off the shelf at damn near $20 a six-pack, and you know what it smells like? It smells like your cat ate your weed and then pissed in the Christmas tree.” - Bell’s Brewery Director of Operations John Mallet on the scent of their popular Hopslam.

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Re: 70qt or 100qt

Post by jeffsmith » Wed Nov 23, 2011 2:42 pm

LiverDance wrote:FWIW I use a 70qt igloo cold max cooler for both 20 and 40 litre batches. I found that at my 70% efficeicy the cooler usually tops out at around 1.082 at 2.8l/kg on a 40 litre batch.
Good info to have.

Sounds to me like 70qt is probably a better size then, and for big beers, make a small(er) batch.

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Re: 70qt or 100qt

Post by LiverDance » Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:22 pm

Exactly Jeff! and you don't really have to worry about the lost of heat on the smaller batches when it's one of the cold max ones.
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Post by jeffsmith » Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:35 pm

LiverDance wrote:Exactly Jeff! and you don't really have to worry about the lost of heat on the smaller batches when it's one of the cold max ones.
I'll keep my eye out, thanks! Any advantage to the Igloo over Coleman's Xtreme 5 series?

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Post by jeffsmith » Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:35 pm

And sorry Graham, kinda hijacked your thread here. :pow:

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Re: 70qt or 100qt

Post by LiverDance » Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:57 pm

Actually that's my bad, I have the coleman xtreme 5, not the igloo brand. I had 2 70qt and gave one to KMck and still have the other. We also have a 95L coleman extreme but that is for our 60l batches.
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Re: 70qt or 100qt

Post by Graham.C » Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:55 pm

jeffsmith wrote:And sorry Graham, kinda hijacked your thread here. :pow:
No worries, I asked because you and I were talking about it the other night and it got me thinking. :cheers3:
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Re: 70qt or 100qt

Post by jeffsmith » Wed Nov 23, 2011 6:02 pm

LiverDance wrote:Actually that's my bad, I have the coleman xtreme 5, not the igloo brand. I had 2 70qt and gave one to KMck and still have the other. We also have a 95L coleman extreme but that is for our 60l batches.
Gotcha, thanks for the clarification. It's looking like I'm going to shoot for the 70qt one now after all this. The majority of the batches I brew with my brother in law (10 gallons) are going to be relatively moderate in gravity anyway, so 70qt should suffice. If we're brewing a really big beer, we'll just have to deal with a smaller volume. Thanks for saving me some cash! (and possibly headaches with heat retention)

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Re: 70qt or 100qt

Post by Graham.C » Wed Nov 23, 2011 6:25 pm

jeffsmith wrote:
LiverDance wrote:Actually that's my bad, I have the coleman xtreme 5, not the igloo brand. I had 2 70qt and gave one to KMck and still have the other. We also have a 95L coleman extreme but that is for our 60l batches.
Gotcha, thanks for the clarification. It's looking like I'm going to shoot for the 70qt one now after all this. The majority of the batches I brew with my brother in law (10 gallons) are going to be relatively moderate in gravity anyway, so 70qt should suffice. If we're brewing a really big beer, we'll just have to deal with a smaller volume. Thanks for saving me some cash! (and possibly headaches with heat retention)

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Re: 70qt or 100qt

Post by LiverDance » Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:07 am

When ever I brew a really big beer I use about 25% extract so I don't have to take the hit on efficiency and it's alot easier to manage.
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Post by akr71 » Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:33 am

LiverDance wrote:Actually that's my bad, I have the coleman xtreme 5, not the igloo brand. I had 2 70qt and gave one to KMck and still have the other. We also have a 95L coleman extreme but that is for our 60l batches.

That's exactly what I plan on buying when I figure its time to build a new MT. Besides the capacity & insulation, I like the drainage channel at the bottom which should reduce my dead space a bit.
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Re: 70qt or 100qt

Post by mr x » Thu Nov 24, 2011 2:51 pm

Somebody here says conversion is pretty much done after 5 minutes (for fully modified grains), so heat loss won't be a big issue. Nailing the mash temp is a bigger priority than heat loss.
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Re: 70qt or 100qt

Post by Jimmy » Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:43 pm

mr x wrote:Somebody here says conversion is pretty much done after 5 minutes (for fully modified grains), so heat loss won't be a big issue. Nailing the mash temp is a bigger priority than heat loss.
That's what I was going to say, but with a bunch of f-bombs. :lol:

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Re: 70qt or 100qt

Post by Jimmy » Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:55 pm

So where did you guys find your 70qt coolers?

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Post by jeffsmith » Mon Oct 22, 2012 1:29 pm

Jimmy wrote:So where did you guys find your 70qt coolers?
Canadian Tire

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Re: 70qt or 100qt

Post by Graham.C » Mon Oct 22, 2012 1:56 pm

jeffsmith wrote:
Jimmy wrote:So where did you guys find your 70qt coolers?
Canadian Tire
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Re: 70qt or 100qt

Post by Graham.C » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:00 pm

+ a big piece of foil for Jeffs trick of keeping in the energy when you don't have it full.
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Re: 70qt or 100qt

Post by sleepyjamie » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:16 pm

do u guys use the 70qt for 5 gallon batches?
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Re: 70qt or 100qt

Post by Graham.C » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:22 pm

Yes, even for small beers. It works fine with the foil trick.
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Re: 70qt or 100qt

Post by jeffsmith » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:40 pm

Graham.C wrote:Yes, even for small beers. It works fine with the foil trick.
^ This.

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