Hop Hash

[wortly]

https://www.facebook.com/SouthanFarms

[GAM]

I am not on FB. Do you have an e-mail?

Sandy

[Jayme]

http://www.southanfarms.net

nick @ southanfarms.com

That's what the facebook page lists. There's a phone number too.

[GAM]

Thanks.

S

[NASH]

Re: Hops hash results...

I know some of you have had less than satisfactory results from the hops hash "dryhashing" thus far, but this is explained via lupulin gland morphology and basic solubility chemistry.

The lupulin glands (see attached photos) are like little hollow wasps nests or balloons, where all the good stuff (resins, oils, alphas+betas) accumulate inside the hollow interior, and with the whole thing being surrounded by a layer of pretty much impermeable wax/resin. If you "dryhash" with hops hash, the small amount of ethanol (5-10%) present in the beer is insufficient to permeate into the gland and extract the compounds of interest. Regular dryhopping uses pelletized hops, where some of the lupulin glands have been mechanically disrupted by sheer forces, heating, and drying of the tissues, and thus a percentage of the resins/oils are released into the beer. Hopping during the boil (where no ethanol is present for extraction) also breaks down the lupulin glands via heat.

I made a 0.5 gram hops hash extract in ethanol (100%), and added a small amount (5mL) to a finished beer to see the effects. The results were pretty astounding. The whole beer went cloudy/turbid, forming an emulsion, due to the high amount of resins extracted; it looked like chicken noodle soup or a wheat beer. The neck of the bottle was actually coated in a greasy film, due to the oils extracted. The taste was a pleasant pineapple/citrus, with none of the usual danky hops funk, grassy notes and no bitterness, with a lingering burn at the back of the throat...(I might have to work on dosage).

I would suggest making hops hash ethanol extracts...40% vodka is probably not enough...find a buddy who makes shine ... and add the ethanol extract just prior to bottling/kegging. If you can't get your hands on high proof spirits, you could try heating the hops hash or grinding it first, prior to "dryhopping."

Hope this adds to the discussion.

It became clear the oils nor the AA were readily available. The solution for dry-hashing? Press it into bricks with a vice, like the good ol' days making Green Moroccan Hashish

I'm dry-hashing the remainder of what I have, and that's it

[NASH]

That was a thought I had had (make an alchol slury) but I figured the folks who had it would know better than I.

We do

Sorry Sandman, you axed for it

[NASH]

PS Sandman - I did make an alcohol slurry with it

[wortly]

The solution for dry-hashing? Press it into bricks with a vice, like the good ol' days making Green Moroccan Hashish

Yeah Shaitan and I were talking about this today, and I was thinking about the exact same thing with a vice.

There is a chance that the heat generated using the vice might isomerize some of the alphas, but I have no idea.

The hop flavor in the beer that Shaitan did was insane. The base beer was coors light and he let it sit for a week. It was tonnes of hop flavor and aroma and only a slight bitterness.

[NASH]

There is a chance that the heat generated using the vice might isomerize some of the alphas, but I have no idea.

But but....

I was told the aa was already isomerized. No?

[GAM]

I have ordered 10g of hash and will share if anyone wants some or I could up the order if more is required.

I know Greg, I know.

Sandy

[wortly]

There is a chance that the heat generated using the vice might isomerize some of the alphas, but I have no idea.

But but....

I was told the aa was already isomerized. No?

They are definitely not isomerized. I was chatting with Nick S. and he told me he might have mentioned that they were, sorry about that misinfo. Shaitan did isomerize them using heat, but the AAs in the hash are not isomerized. I am going to try to use a magic bullet + a solvent (40% ETOH) to see if that improves the extraction.

[GAM]

I was going with a higher % shine. How much liquid would you think would be enough?

Do we need heat? How much and how long?

Sandy

[NASH]

I was going with a higher % shine. How much liquid would you think would be enough?

Do we need heat? How much and how long?

Sandy

Treat it as hops. If you want bittering out of it boil as you would regular hops. Use the values I posted earlier in this thread - 37% alpha acid.

[NASH]

There is a chance that the heat generated using the vice might isomerize some of the alphas, but I have no idea.

But but....

I was told the aa was already isomerized. No?

They are definitely not isomerized. I was chatting with Nick S. and he told me he might have mentioned that they were, sorry about that misinfo. Shaitan did isomerize them using heat, but the AAs in the hash are not isomerized. I am going to try to use a magic bullet + a solvent (40% ETOH) to see if that improves the extraction.

That clarifies shite, thanks!

[LiverDance]

So using it for FWH would work to extract the flavor and aroma as well as the aa? or should it be a combo of slurry and fwh?

[NASH]

So using it for FWH would work to extract the flavor and aroma as well as the aa? or should it be a combo of slurry and fwh?

Use it like hops.

The slurry idea is fine for dry-hashing, you're basically making hop oil but saving the hassle of dealing with all that green matter. I'd think it a bit of a waste of time for a kettle addition. When making the brew, in the kettle, use it as regular hops whether that's FWH, bittering, flavour/aroma, flame-out, whirlpool etc. I'd break it up pretty good before adding to the kettle just to ensure you don't end up with a lump of hash on the bottom.

[LiverDance]

Ok, i'm trying to figure out how much to use in a 40L batch of 1.057 beer. My figuring puts me at 4 grams to achieve approx 40IBU's using the hash at FWH. Sound about right or am I out to lunch?

[LiverDance]

bump

[NASH]

You can just stick it into your hop database as a 37.2% AA hop

[LiverDance]

I did that but then it said I would need 15g to get 40 IBU's and that didn't seem right

[NASH]

Well then. One of us must be missing something!

What are your numbers using some random hop to get to the 40 IBU? Calculate that out to total weight of a.a. Then do the same for the hash to get to the same end result.

Or post your numbers here, I'll have a go to double check. Not sure why the software would be incorrect, if that's the case.

Transmitted from the Hop-phone.

[LiverDance]

Here's my math based on what you mentioned before:

Beer 1.057 @ 40L
(random hop)Columbus hop 36g*.14*.3 = 1.512

So 1.512/.372= 4.06g of hash

but if I just add in the 37.2%AA to a beersmith hop under utilization it keeps saying I need 15g. maybe there is something in the program that I'm missing

[NASH]

Your math is correct.

In your software add a new hop to the database @ 37.2 AA. Plug that into your recipe using the same utilization rate as you normally would. Looks like you changed the utilization of the existing hop from 30% to 37.2%?

[NASH]

Your math is correct.

In your software add a new hop to the database @ 37.2 AA. Plug that into your recipe using the same utilization rate as you normally would. Looks like you changed the utilization of the existing hop from 30% to 37.2%?

Actually, now that I think about it.....

Since the AA is not isomerized as initially thought, the utilization rate will apply to the hash as well. That changes things, a lot.

Soooooo...... the hash is just a concentrated hop pellet, maybe about a T30

I would do something like this for math:

36g x .14aa / .372aa = 13.548g should be the real number

[LiverDance]

Negative, tried it both ways and get the same results.