Space Machine – Can You Hear Me Major Tom

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Space Machine – Can You Hear Me Major Tom

Post by GuingesRock » Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:45 am

I want to build a machine to brew my real ale. Incorporating my brewing techniques that I’ve developed and adopted.

It would be a single vessel, using the full volume BIAB technique. The vessel would also serve as a fermentation vessel.

This vessel will be of the electric brewery type and I’ve started looking into that. I would like to keep it simple and might have a simple element that I turn on and off.

Blichmann are coming out with a coil type element for under $200 that fits in the bottom of the pot and wouldn’t interfere with the BIAB bag. I wouldn’t run the element during the mash.

I’m thinking this could perhaps be a 40 - 50 gallon setup, potentially with nano applications.

After the mash, I would drain from the vessel to a simple tank on the floor and when draining has finished, I would scoop out some of the grains until the bag was manageable and then lift that out.

Then I would put the wort back into the main vessel using a pail to avoid pumps and lines that would need cleaning etc. Simple is the theme.

Then boil.

Staying with the simple theme. The vessel would have a built in immersion chiller or a double wall to run water through for chilling to pitching temperature.

Then I would ferment in that vessel for 5 – 6 days, using the chiller for correcting fermentation temperature, and then keg for keg conditioning and move kegs to a cellar.

Thus I would have a nano with one shiny Stainless Steel tank and not a room full of them, and one vessel only to clean (apart from kegs), no lines or pumps to clean and sanitise.

This one machine would produce a new batch for kegging every week. Adding another machine would double output with minimal extra space required. A high capacity output could be potentially achieved from one small room.

For marketing, the real ale could be racked from the kegs to polypins or growlers, or even to stainess steel 1L drink bottles ;)

Any ideas, comments, improvements. It’s spacy I know, but it is a “space machine”
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Re: Space Machine – Can You Hear Me Major Tom

Post by mr x » Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:33 am

I really think the pump would be a big help. Bucket transfers can be time consuming and messy.

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Re: Space Machine – Can You Hear Me Major Tom

Post by GAM » Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:19 am

Pump and lines are the easiest parts to clean, water rinse, hot water clean and boiling wort or Starsan to sanitize.

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Re: Space Machine – Can You Hear Me Major Tom

Post by GuingesRock » Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:22 am

OK guys...pump it is :) ...Thanks.

In this instance, scrupulous sanitising of pump and lines won't be essential, as it will be for transferring wort just prior to boiling.

If I want to do FWH, the pellet hop sludge might clog up the pump though?
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Re: Space Machine – Can You Hear Me Major Tom

Post by gm- » Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:41 am

Have you looked at the braumeisters? Sounds a bit like what you are describing.

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Re: Space Machine – Can You Hear Me Major Tom

Post by GuingesRock » Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:53 am

gm- wrote:Have you looked at the braumeisters? Sounds a bit like what you are describing.
Yes I did before, but not custom made for my purpose and I think my machine could be made for under $1000 which is a bit better than $15,000 plus massive shipping costs from Germany: http://homebrewsupplies.ca/product/2053 ... llon-200l/

Interesting machines though. I heard about a company in Australia using those things to make wort to sell for people to ferment. They needed no licences and much less red tape as they weren't selling alcohol...also a good idea.
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Re: Space Machine – Can You Hear Me Major Tom

Post by GuingesRock » Fri Oct 04, 2013 9:12 pm

I thought I'd have another look at the Braumeister for ideas and didn’t get any.

It’s supposed to be “fully automatic” but in this video it looks like much more work than a simple BIAB brew…not to mention cleaning and servicing (no video on that).

As an Example: Here’s page #8 of the 28 page instruction manual
The pump and heating remain switched on until the
programmed mashing temperature is reached. The set
temperature and actual temperature are shown on the display.
On reaching the mashing temperature, a signal tone sounds,
which must be acknowledged by pressing the ENTER button.
The pump is now switched off.
The malt pipe can now be installed in the boiler with the seal
facing downwards. Make sure that the pipe is clean, centred
and lying flat on the bottom. Now insert the first sieve base
(with the pipe’s jointing sleeve facing upwards) into the malt
pipe and put the first filter cloth on top of it. The cloth must lie
on the sheet metal sieve and it is not allowed to float upwards.
The whole malt is now poured into the malt pipe with a scoop,
then stirred in well. Take care that the malt is poured in neatly
and that nothing falls into the tank, which could block the pump. Now put the second
filter cloth on top and then the second sheet metal sieve over that again (with the
pipe’s jointing sleeve facing upwards). This is screwed together with the stirrup and
wing nut for fastening and clamping down the malt pipe, and is pressed downwards
while doing so.
When you have filled in the malt, confirm this by pressing
ENTER. The inquiry “Malt filled?” appears again as a check.
You can now start the actual brewing process of the
Braumeister by pressing START. The pump and heating are
switched on. The wort rises in the pipe and flows over. The
circulation has started and the malt will be washed out by
means of pumped recycling during the next phases.
Protein mode
The malt’s large molecules of protein are split up into small components during the
protein mode. The protein mode is not only important for clarification and fullbodiedness
but for the beer’s foaming stability and capacity to bind carbonic acid. The
temperature is approximately 52°C and it is maintained for 5 to 20 minutes according
to the programmed recipe.
The display now shows the mode, set and actual temperature
and the time. On reaching the set temperature, the time display
changes to a downward-counting remaining time display
(flashing) for this phase. The further phases take place
completely automatically, during which the display again
shows the corresponding times and temperatures as in Phase 1.
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