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Post by Jimmy » Thu Dec 22, 2011 8:40 pm

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Joe O’Connor: New Nova Scotia law lets liquor corporation shut down in-store winemakers

Charlie Patton worked for Sears Canada for many years until he lost his job, found another, and then lost that job, too.

Mr. Patton was in his late 40s at the time and living in Halifax. He did not want to leave Nova Scotia to find the next job, like so many others he knew did, and so he moved home to New Glasgow, opened Water ‘N’ Wine and started selling brew-your-own beer and wine kits.


Over time, he expanded the business, hired two full-time employees and added a wrinkle to the repertoire by offering customers the option to make their Merlots or Sauvignon-Blancs or Chardonnays on the premises and leave them for 30 days to ferment before returning to bottle, label, cork, box and take away the booze.

“I saw a void in the marketplace,” says Mr. Patton, now 63, and himself a home brewer of fine English Ales before opening the business.

“But if you listen to the government talk about what we do one of the remarks that you will hear is that stores like mine are responsible for binge drinking among teenagers, underage drinking — and bootlegging.

“Well, I’ve got to tell you something: My customers tend to be in their 50s and 60s and 70s — and my 80-year-old customers, the little old ladies, they aren’t going out there and bootlegging.

“What the government is saying just doesn’t wash at all.”

But it is what the provincial NDP government has done that has put Mr. Patton’s livelihood at risk. The legislature passed an amendment to Nova Scotia’s liquor laws last week that gives the Nova Scotia Liquor Corporation (NSLC) — a provincial Crown corporation — the power to obtain a Supreme Court injunction to put Charlie Patton out of business.

“Under the Liquor Control Act public policy — government policy — is that the NSLC is the only body who can determine who can retail and wholesale beverage alcohol in a finished product,” says Rick Perkins, a spokesman for the NSLC.

“Selling kits is allowed because it is not beverage alcohol — it is just the pieces that go into making wine and beer — and we have allowed, and have allowed for some time people, as hobbyists, to acquire those kits and make it at home.”

Buy and brew at home and live happily ever after. Buy and brew at Charlie Patton’s, or at a handful of other Nova Scotia retailers offering the same in-store service, and beware the NSLC — which pumps about $200-million into the province’s coffers each year, opened 53 stores between 2005 and 2010, enjoys year-over-year growth and has as a monopoly over retail liquor sales in Nova Scotia.

“It is an irrational, maniacal control issue,” says Ross Harrington, the owner of Wine Kitz in Halifax. “It’s like a schoolyard bully saying you can’t do something, just because.

“The government has given the NSLC quasi-police powers — badges, we don’t need no stinking badges — to be able to go to a judge and shut me down.”

Get Mr. Harrington talking about the new legislation and he might not stop. In-store brewing is legal in New Brunswick, a two-hour drive from his store. It is also legal in Prince Edward Island, Ontario, British Columbia and Saskatchewan.

“When people move to Nova Scotia we always say set your clocks back an hour and your calendars back 50 years,” Mr. Harrington says. “Cheers.”

Less jovial and demonstrably harder to reach are members of Premier Darrell Dexter’s government. Five days after I requested to speak with Graham Steele, the Finance Minister and responsible for the NSLC, a spokesperson called me back — on a Sunday.

The message: Mr. Steele had no comment.

Meanwhile, a request to speak with Ross Landry, the NDP MLA for Pictou Centre, which includes New Glasgow, was redirected to Mr. Steele’s office.

Mr. Landry did speak to a local reporter in early December, and argued that brew-your-own outlets lead to bootlegging and binge drinking among minors.

At the root of his argument is price. A bottle of self-brewed wine is about 50% cheaper than a low-end vintage purchased from an NSLC retail store. Cheap booze, they say, creates big social problems.

“If kids want to get drunk at the school dance they want to get drunk tonight,” Mr. Harrington says. “They don’t want to spend 150 bucks at my store and come back five weeks later to get their wine.

“I don’t serve minors. And I’m not a bootlegger.”

Neither is Charlie Patton. He has close to 700 customers. Some are curious. Some are longtime hobbyists. Some live in apartments and are cramped for space. Some are too old and frail to heft about heavy winemaking equipment.

Josie McInnes is a regular. She is 73. Her back and wrists ache, so she lets Mr. Patton’s staff do the heavy lifting for her. She is not a bootlegger. Merlot is her favourite grape.

“Charlie is just a small business owner trying to make a go of it,” Ms. McInnes says. “I don’t know why the government would want to put an end to that.”

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Post by sleepyjamie » Fri Dec 23, 2011 9:05 am

He hit the hammer on the nail when he stated that nova scotia is 50 years behind other provinces and cities.
No wonder everyone in this province is moving away to find work.
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Post by CorneliusAlphonse » Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:33 pm

Jimmy wrote:
The legislature passed an amendment to Nova Scotia’s liquor laws last week that gives the Nova Scotia Liquor Corporation (NSLC) — a provincial Crown corporation — the power to obtain a Supreme Court injunction to put Charlie Patton out of business.
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Post by know1 » Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:12 pm

We have people dying as a result of drunken bar fights and Graham Steele, the Minister responsible for the NSLC and it's regulatory enforcement is directing efforts toward cracking down on brew-on-site wine making. What century is this?
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Post by derek » Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:00 pm

What I still don't get is what a law giving them power to get an injunction does? As far as I know, you can get an injunction against virtually anything - it's just a matter of convincing a judge that there's a reason for it. This one is intended to allow them to get an injunction for "repeated violation" of the liquor laws - except if they're violating liquor laws, surely you just keep hitting them in the pocket book, or even send them to jail. The problem (from the NSLC's view) is that they haven't actually been able to successfully convict people of violating most of those laws - and I have sufficient faith in the province's judges to believe that they won't _get_ their injunctions unless they can show that the "repeat offender" has actually been repeatedly convicted.

But, yeah, I agree with the comment about drunken bar fights. I bet there's less trouble from people who really are using bootleggers, let alone the LOLs making wine at a u-vint.
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Post by KMcK » Fri Dec 23, 2011 5:12 pm

CorneliusAlphonse wrote:
Jimmy wrote:
The legislature passed an amendment to Nova Scotia’s liquor laws last week that gives the Nova Scotia Liquor Corporation (NSLC) — a provincial Crown corporation — the power to obtain a Supreme Court injunction to put Charlie Patton out of business.
whoops - I guess I wrote my letter too late.
Complaining about one little thing after another isn't very practical. We need a major overhaul of the liquor laws in the this province. That's what we should be lobbying for.
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Renegade wine kit retailer says business is fruitful
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A Halifax retailer who offers in-house winemaking says his business continues to bubble nine months after the Nova Scotia Liquor Corp. got more authority to crack down on such operations.

Ross Harrington, who owns and operates Wine Kitz, said customers have been making wine in his Clayton Park store for more than a year without any problems.

“There’s been no conflict, no issues at all,” Harrington said in an interview Monday.

In fact, the store is selling more wine kits than ever.

“We’re going great guns. I’m probably going to have to hire another person.”

The store owner said he previously added another part-time staffer because of the growing demand for in-store winemaking. He’s also invested $14,000 to buy new equipment.

Harrington is one of a handful of wine-kit retailers in Nova Scotia offering the service, even though provincial liquor laws say it’s illegal.

And he’s landed in legal trouble before as a result.

The businessman was found guilty in Halifax provincial court in 2009 of keeping liquor for sale when he previously offered the service. Harrington was fined $310 and paid nearly $12,000 in legal bills.

The retailer expressed concern last year about the new regulations, saying they give the corporation too much power.

The new rules, which took effect in December, give the corporation the authority to get a court order forcing a business or person to refrain from breaking provicial liquor laws.

A corporation spokesman said in-store winemaking remains illegal, whether or not officials get an injunction to stop it.

“That process is new,” Rick Perkins said. “We’ve not used it yet. But that doesn’t mean we won’t.”

Retailers are legally able to offer in-store winemaking in five provinces: New Brunswick, Prince Edward Island, Ontario, Saskatchewan and British Columbia.

The owner of an Antigonish wine kit store said winemaking operations in this province aren’t fair to retailers who lose business because they comply with the law.

“If it is legal, make it legal for everybody and if it is illegal, make it illegal for everybody,” said Rick Simpson of Campbell’s Brewing Centre.

Simpson said he’s complained to the corporation several times but no action has been taken.
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Post by Stusbrews » Fri Sep 14, 2012 9:17 pm

What liquor law is being broken? They are not selling alcohol, but simply kits. The customer does the brewing. dont they? Ie: pitching the yeast...

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Post by derek » Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:50 pm

Stusbrews wrote:What liquor law is being broken? They are not selling alcohol, but simply kits. The customer does the brewing. dont they? Ie: pitching the yeast...
There's no doubt laws are being broken. They're really not trying to say there is no law, they're hoping to get the public on-side to get the laws changed. iirc, one of the laws is simply about _storing_ alcoholic beverages in an unlicensed business.
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Ross Harrington says Nova Scotia Liquor Corp. is flexing the regulatory muscle the province gave it two years ago.

“In 2011, the government of Nova Scotia gave (the corporation) police powers, which they are now exercising,” the owner of Wine Kitz Halifax said Wednesday in an interview.

Regulatory changes introduced in 2011 gave the corporation the authority to get a court order to force a business or person to refrain from breaking provincial liquor laws.

In court documents filed Tuesday, the liquor corporation exercised that authority for the first time by asking for an interim injunction against Pemberley Wine Inc., operating as Wine Kitz Halifax, 3231011 Nova Scotia Ltd., operating as Wine Kitz New Minas, and C. Patton Enterprises, operating as Water N’ Wine New Glasgow.

The liquor corporation wants Nova Scotia Supreme Court to restrain the respondents from “providing any service which in any way involves the mixing, storage or fermentations of liquor on their premises” and “permitting any beer or winemaking on their premises.”

It also wants the court to prevent the respondents from “advertising, offering, or in any way making available any U-Vint, in-store winery or brewery, on-premises wine and beer making, or any similar service, on their premises” and “selling, giving or offering for sale any liquor, including but not limited to any beer or wine kit, other than as specifically authorized by” Nova Scotia Liquor Corp. permit.

Harrington said the injunction application, set to be heard Friday, ends 18 months of peace under the new regulations during which he offered customers in-house winemaking services without legal interference.

“We were doing our thing, and not covertly.”

The injunction application followed an undercover sting operation, he said.

Harrington said the liquor corporation application demonstrates his contention that it operates at cross-purposes with businesses like his.

“NSLC shouldn’t have the power to be a retailer and a regulator,” he said.

“They don’t like competition and change the rules to suit themselves.”

Terri Mosher, a liquor corporation spokeswoman, said the application was related to an “ongoing issue” of on-premise fermenting.

“This is illegal under the Liquor Control Act,” Mosher said in an interview Wednesday.

She said she couldn’t comment further because the matter is before the court.

Antiquated provincial liquor laws that give the corporation the power to restrict the operations of its retail competitors are flawed and harmful, Harrington said.

“I shouldn’t have to have a licence from another retailer.”

Harrington was fined $310 in 2009 after being found guilty of keeping liquor for sale, in contravention of provincial liquor laws, as part of his in-house winemaking service.

Retailers are legally able to offer in-store winemaking in New Brunswick, Prince Edward Island, Ontario, Saskatchewan and British Columbia.
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Post by Jimmy » Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:16 pm

Dirtbags (the NSLC)

Why wasn't NG included in there? Aren't they operating a BOP?

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Post by HPhunter » Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:55 pm

I'm surprised no one has sued the nslc for loss of income while other retailers break the law repeatedly. I think they are in an awkward position as rule maker and seller. But any changes in liquor laws don't really mean better either. I was thinking the BOP thing would get changed quickly to enable it to happen, so the nslc could tax it and make more money.
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Post by mr x » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:14 am

Jimmy wrote:Why wasn't NG included in there? Aren't they operating a BOP?
Can't see them being excluded for long. I hope the NDP gets reamed for this. So long Dexter, take Ross Landry with you.

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Post by sleepyjamie » Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:39 am

If public outcry and social media makes NSLC look bad then they will eventually side with the public. I've started tweeting on their tweet feed and I suggest everyone here do it as well (including facebook).
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Post by jeffsmith » Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:03 am

Public outcry may get the ball rolling but I honestly can't see anything changing for the better until we get a change in government.

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Post by mr x » Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:40 am

That's probably right. All you can do is punish the morons who brought this law into play, and hope an incoming government has better sense about it.
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Post by know1 » Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:50 am

The sad part is we will likely end up with a minority again the the next go around which means squat will get accomplished because these clowns are more interested in their personal reputations against each other rather than the interests of the public
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Post by derek » Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:28 pm

mr x wrote:
Jimmy wrote:Why wasn't NG included in there? Aren't they operating a BOP?
Can't see them being excluded for long. I hope the NDP gets reamed for this. So long Dexter, take Ross Landry with you.

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But can you really imagine the next government making any changes? They're all still prohibitionists (even though I first met Darryl Dexter at Rogue's Roost - definitely "do as I say, not as I do").
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Post by mr x » Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:32 pm

Doubt it. Although one of the opposition members was for BOP. Punishment is my next best option. Fuck the greasy bastards.
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Post by derek » Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:43 pm

mr x wrote:Doubt it. Although one of the opposition members was for BOP. Punishment is my next best option. Fuck the greasy bastards.
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Post by mr x » Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:48 pm

Ross was on Maritime noon, but I missed it. Might check the archives later.
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Post by amartin » Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:53 pm

I'd boycott them, but I haven't bought myself anything there since Propeller's Double IPA came out. And as much as I don't like the NDP, I can't say I really have a lot of faith in the opposition either.

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Post by GAM » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:23 pm

He didn't say much new.

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A Halifax judge has adjourned an injunction hearing requested by the province's Crown liquor company which is trying to stop two businesses from producing wine and beer in their stores.

Three beer and wine kit stores were in a Halifax court Friday morning to fight an injunction from the Nova Scotia Liquor Corporation seeking to put them out of business.

The liquor corporation is trying to shut down U-Vint operations that allow customers to ferment wine or brew beer on their premises.

The crown corporation is exercising new powers granted by the Dexter Government in 2011. They allow the NSLC to get a court order to stop violations of provincial liquor laws.

On Wednesday, three so called U-Vint operators received papers telling them they're breaking the law.

"They basically shut down our in-store winery," said Charles Patton, owner of Water 'N' Wine in New Glasgow.

The liquor corporation said it is merely enforcing existing laws that prevent the manufacturing of liquor.

The stakes are high for Water 'N' Wine employee Stella Fitzpatrick.

"I'm really stressed out. I'll probably be losing my job and so could another employee here," she said.

Patton said if they lose in court his business will shut down on Saturday.

Nova Scotia Supreme Court Judge Michael Wood set aside the hearing until Jan. 28 in order to give the stores in Halifax and New Glasgow time to get legal advice and review court documents.

The owners of Wine Kitz Halifax and Water 'n' Wine in New Glasgow said they are prepared to contest the injunction.

Another similar business in New Minas has decided to comply with the regulations pending the outcome of the upcoming hearing.
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Absolutely sickeing! :x

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