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There. For those of you who haven't heard.

Moving up to Rockbottom? How bad were things before?

More seriously, I have heard the rumors for a while, and a big congratulations to Nash to have more space to brew with.

If only I was still in the province and could sample, some of the great stuff that is going to be coming out on tap.

Congrats NASH! RB will be winning awards in no time!

and getting a few more customers on a regular basis

KMcK wrote:and getting a few more customers on a regular basis

This. Good to see H&T will still have his stuff. Plus a Propeller collaboration. Greg may as well just brew for everyone now. Or have one brewery called Ubiquity.

BobbyOK wrote:

KMcK wrote:and getting a few more customers on a regular basis

This. Good to see H&T will still have his stuff. Plus a Propeller collaboration. Greg may as well just brew for everyone now. Or have one brewery called Ubiquity.

Great to hear! Congrads Nash

TrueCanadianBeers wrote:Great to hear! Congrads Nash

Thank you sir

When's the beer ready? Should be soon, right?

vgoreham wrote:When's the beer ready? Should be soon, right?

It takes time for the hops to work their magic and cover up all the flaws...

BTW Nash, a proper survey has magically turned my new property into 11.5 acres, not 9 and when I showed my wife the market value of an acre of hops (data from 2000) she got a big grin on her face...

vgoreham wrote:When's the beer ready? Should be soon, right?

Fuck I wish! Still not brewing yet, I have never seen such slow plumbing! They show up at noon exclaiming they were pulled to do another job, supposed to be 2 of them but one has only been present for about 7 hrs total because he's always called away on another job. The owner keeps calling the contractor to no avail

I've been saying this for a few weeks now but.... Hopefully be brewing next week.

akr71 wrote:

vgoreham wrote:When's the beer ready? Should be soon, right?

It takes time for the hops to work their magic and cover up all the flaws...

BTW Nash, a proper survey has magically turned my new property into 11.5 acres, not 9 and when I showed my wife the market value of an acre of hops (data from 2000) she got a big grin on her face...

Not sure what data you are looking at but don't plan on 2000 - 2500 lbs/acre. Those are hop-growing region numbers. For NS plan for about 1/4 of that as a good crop. Seems that most everyone getting into growing hops out east see those numbers and think they are going to get rich. Growing hops is a shitload of work and harvesting is even more work so it's not a get rich quick scheme. Now if you plan on charging insane numbers for the hops like some of the locals count me out! lol Of course you could probably get insane numbers from them by selling to a certain New Brunswick brewery that contacted every hop growing source in the maritimes and bought every lb they could get their hands on for $16/lb wet, that's about $80 - $90 per lb for dried hops without all the labour and expense of processing involved. That's fucking insane. That is priming the growers for failure of some sort down the road, they'll keep planting more becoming dependent on selling for those sort of prices. Local is added value but not ridiculous numbers like that. I can buy tons of fresh hops out of QC and ON or anywhere else in the country for a fraction of those prices and that's including delivery to my door. The whole local market will likely crash at some point because of a couple breweries currently willing to pay ridiculous prices.

Now.... lets get together and talk hops!

The numbers I was looking at were closer to 1500 lb/acre from the manual available at Crannog Ales/Left Fields ( http://www.crannogales.com/site/manual.php ).

Yield potential
Variety Yield lb/acre Price/acre @ $4.5/lb CDN
Nugget 2,445 $11,002
Willamette 1423 $6,403
Cascade 1785 $8,032
Golding 1231 $5,539
Fuggle 1065 $4,792
Mt. Hood 1900 $8,850

I don't plan this as a get rich quick scheme and know its gonna be a metric shit ton of work, even the 3 plants I have took a lot of time. I'm not giving up my day job either, just hoping to have some fun with it and stake my claim to the land before my daughter tries to turn it into horse pasture.

Yes, we should still talk

akr71 wrote:I don't plan this as a get rich quick scheme and know its gonna be a metric shit ton of work, even the 3 plants I have took a lot of time. I'm not giving up my day job either, just hoping to have some fun with it and stake my claim to the land before my daughter tries to turn it into horse pasture.

Jeez! Don't let that happen! Turn her onto beer. It's way cheaper to raise an alcoholic, with all the related health problems, than to raise a horse nut!

My friend Shelley (different from Robert's Shelley) had a mare. That she rode in dressage competition. Then she moved to the country to a hobby farm. Then she had a mare with a foal... and another foal... I don't think she's actually ridden a horse in 10 years, she has the vet on retainer, and she still hasn't sold either of the colts.

derek wrote:

akr71 wrote:I don't plan this as a get rich quick scheme and know its gonna be a metric shit ton of work, even the 3 plants I have took a lot of time. I'm not giving up my day job either, just hoping to have some fun with it and stake my claim to the land before my daughter tries to turn it into horse pasture.

Jeez! Don't let that happen! Turn her onto beer. It's way cheaper to raise an alcoholic, with all the related health problems, than to raise a horse nut!

My friend Shelley (different from Robert's Shelley) had a mare. That she rode in dressage competition. Then she moved to the country to a hobby farm. Then she had a mare with a foal... and another foal... I don't think she's actually ridden a horse in 10 years, she has the vet on retainer, and she still hasn't sold either of the colts.

Try being a beer-nut (I'm not going to use that A-word) married to a horse-nut. At least I can always claim I have the cheaper hobby!

NASH wrote:The whole local market will likely crash at some point because of a couple breweries currently willing to pay ridiculous prices.

Certainly seem that way.

akr71 wrote:The numbers I was looking at were closer to 1500 lb/acre from the manual available at Crannog Ales/Left Fields ( http://www.crannogales.com/site/manual.php ).

Yield potential
Variety Yield lb/acre Price/acre @ $4.5/lb CDN
Nugget 2,445 $11,002
Willamette 1423 $6,403
Cascade 1785 $8,032
Golding 1231 $5,539
Fuggle 1065 $4,792
Mt. Hood 1900 $8,850

I don't plan this as a get rich quick scheme and know its gonna be a metric shit ton of work, even the 3 plants I have took a lot of time. I'm not giving up my day job either, just hoping to have some fun with it and stake my claim to the land before my daughter tries to turn it into horse pasture.

Yes, we should still talk

Yeah we'll definitely talk I was just saying.

I think you'd be better off planning for maybe 500 lbs/acre, maybe start with planting something like 1/4 acre and see how that works, then work your way up from there if all works out well.

I get these numbers from my studies of the North American dominant early 1900's hop growing region of New York State. In 1915 the industry was finally crushed by the West coast farms (Oregon specifically) (and a really hard hit of blight that same year) with their insane 2000 lb/acre harvests coupled with the advent of mechanical harvesting techniques. The poor farmers in New York were working at around 500 lbs/acre with much smaller farms as they had to all be harvested by hand. Maybe there are some varieties that would grow like nuts here now, not sure but we have a pretty short growing season by comparison to the west coast and any numbers you read are from the west coast or Europe.

NASH wrote: In 1915 the industry was finally crushed by the West coast farms (Oregon specifically) (and a really hard hit of blight that same year) with their insane 2000 lb/acre harvests coupled with the advent of mechanical harvesting techniques.

You two just need to know how to manage your labour costs.

The pickers lived in dire and extremely unsanitary conditions. They were not provided by their employer with even a roof over their heads, being forced to sleep in a field about a mile from the ranch in makeshift tents or, more often than not, in the open air. Blankets were not provided and many had none, being left freezing in the often cold nights that are common of the Northern Californian climate. The drinking wells in the field were diseased and unsafe to drink from, irrigation ditches were filled with rubbish, and the only other form of drink available was a foul mixture of water and acetic acid sold to the workers at five cents a day.

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Just like working at Garrison....