Wayfarer's Ale - Thread not started by GRock (See OP)

[GuingesRock]

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[CorneliusAlphonse]

From what I've heard here, I'm not sure it is possible to 'fully investigate' the project.

+1

[canuck]

I'm in the planning stage of upgrading to a 15bbl / 6000sq ft brewery. Anyone interested in investing? Sorry, that's all of the details I can give you.

[GuingesRock]

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[Keith]

Cause it is lol

[chalmers]

I was thinking about meeting with them directly to go through it. Assumptions are very often wrong I find.

I understand that we could learn more by meeting with them, but if they are willing to share info with some potential investors, then why not share it with all?

[mcgster]

I was thinking about meeting with them directly to go through it. Assumptions are very often wrong I find.

I understand that we could learn more by meeting with them, but if they are willing to share info with some potential investors, then why not share it with all?

Actually any information they share with one person they have to share with all people, there are laws against only allowing select people to get information about securities

[chalmers]

I was thinking about meeting with them directly to go through it. Assumptions are very often wrong I find.

I understand that we could learn more by meeting with them, but if they are willing to share info with some potential investors, then why not share it with all?

Actually any information they share with one person they have to share with all people, there are laws against only allowing select people to get information about securities

Kinda my point: suggesting they will share extra information with those who meet them in person, rather than the wider public, is not instilling a lot of confidence in me.

[mcgster]

In that case.. what he said ^^^

[chalmers]

[mcgster]

To be honest, even if it wasn't for the shortcomings on the business side of the venture this thread, and brewery, this would still rub me the wrong way.

As someone who puts a lot of work into brewing great beer, i hate to see people jumping on the craft beer bandwagon as a way to profit. If this brewery were being built out of the love for beer and brewing great beer, the people involved would be on here talking about their plans, equipment, dreams, goals etc.. not saying we have a bunch of chemists and some german guy.

Brewing decent beer is easy, brewing great craft beer means putting profits further down on your priority list.

Case in point I have had conversations with Shane about his efforts to use real fruit in all his beer, sourcing real vanilla beans, chopping up pounds of pineapple etc.... this drives his cost per pint up significantly, takes way more time, and ultimately brings him in less money.

Given Shane's small size i am certain he could sell out all his beer locally whether he did this or used blueberry extract (Sorry Shane...) why does he do it, well he would have to answer that question himself but i think its because he genuinely loves beer, and wants to produce the best beer he can.

I'm not saying this to single Shane out as i know there are lots of other guys in the maritimes doing this and i think its a great thing. I'm just not going to get too excited about a brewery if i think its just looking to cash in on the trend.

[canuck]

Interesting thread. After four pages of comments, and a number from one of the people starting the brewery, I am really left with virtually zero information on this brewery. It's been asked a few times before in this thread........Who exactly is the brewer, what is the planned styles of beer to be produced.......etc? Such fundamental questions are very simple to answer. Why aren't they being answered? That alone would leave me running in the opposite direction. You open a craft brewery in the Maritimes (or anywhere else for that matter) with the sole purpose of making money, I'd venture it's gonna fail. You open a craft brewery backed by a shitload of passion behind the beers you brew, you'll probably do pretty darn good.

[jeffsmith]

^ This.

[Keith]

Well said Shane. I've experienced your beer, love the beer and so does Erin. Why would I invest my money. I BELIEVE in the product and would buy it myself

[RossBee]

Interesting thread. After four pages of comments, and a number from one of the people starting the brewery, I am really left with virtually zero information on this brewery. It's been asked a few times before in this thread........Who exactly is the brewer, what is the planned styles of beer to be produced.......etc? Such fundamental questions are very simple to answer. Why aren't they being answered? That alone would leave me running in the opposite direction. You open a craft brewery in the Maritimes (or anywhere else for that matter) with the sole purpose of making money, I'd venture it's gonna fail. You open a craft brewery backed by a shitload of passion behind the beers you brew, you'll probably do pretty darn good.

Well said, Shane.

This proposition smells of "venture capitalists" trying to catch the niche train of craft brewing. What perturbs me the most about this, is how this idea has hijacked this forum. The funny thing about all of this, pertinent questions have been raised by Brewnosers regarding equipment, personnel and the venture in general, that should have been addressed prior to the offering of shares. Perhaps, there is a motive as to why the issue was presented to this forum.

There are a examples of micro startups without "qualified" brewers (by qualified, I mean book-learned, you know the ones with the papers, by the way, stop picking on the Germans) Picaroons comes to mind. However, most micros come from humble beginnings, rarely have they started at 20 bbl around here, i.e. this may be an attempt to catch the train.

The long and the short, we all have a choice, invest or don't invest, bottom line. To argue the could haves, should haves, would haves, be nice to haves is, in my humble opinion, a complete waste of time. I wish the outfit all the best in their endeavor, hopefully the passion is not just limited to the capitalistic end of things, and there is an actual passion for the product.

Now back to my Brandy.

[GuingesRock]

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[chalmers]

I believe it's closer to the lines of "they shouldn't be releasing information to a select person or people, there should be no "privileged" information, it should be available to all potential investors (ie, NS residents)".
So the onus is on them to make that information available to all who enquire.
If you know things that the rest of the public don't, you are holding privileged information, but I don't think you'd be precluded from investing. Think about that information, is it something that is influencing your choice to invest? If other people knew it, would they be likely to invest (or not invest)? If so, why was it shared with only a select group, and not others?

[GuingesRock]

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[brownboy67]

I am so sick of business types pushing the corporate agenda in the name of "the craft beer community". Frankly, Randy Lawrence actually started a brewery as a brewer, which is what he would say his job is. It is looking like a bunch of business people are going to set up a mega-lo-mart brewery in his parking lot for the "benefit of the beer community".

Definitely more of a fan of the "Lawson's Finest Liquids" or "Hill Farmstead" models than this corporate shyte.

And for those reasons... I'm out.

Here's what I see: a group of businessmen deciding that they will open a brewery to jump on the craft beer boom, who have thrown a bunch of money at the Port Pub's Board of Directors in order to move-in next to an established microbrewery - a microbrewery that was founded on someone's love for beer-making, not founded by a group of businessmen looking to cash in on the next bandwagon. And these people are out to squash Sea Level, which makes me sick to think that someone would intentionally do that to a small business.

In all honesty, I'm here to get a feel for this new brewery because all of the rumors that I have heard about it have precariously sketchy details. The only thing I have a sincere grasp on at this point, is that a bunch of businessmen are opening a brewery to enhance the "craft beer community" - but what kind of "community" purposely squats next to an already established company who is already doing that? The kind with discretionary motives. As soon as I read the quoted comment from Wortly, I realized this is exactly how I feel too. Not to mention that they have extremely lofty production goals for a group that have never brewed professionally.

[GuingesRock]

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[jeffsmith]

And these people are out to squash Sea Level, which makes me sick to think that someone would intentionally do that to a small business.

I'm quite skeptical about the whole situation for the reasons that have already been mentioned, but I definitely question this as a motive. There are a significant number of breweries that co-exist in close proximity in the Maritimes and do so without issue, quite often they collaborate.

Competition in any space is also never a bad thing...No one operation should ever have a monopoly if there are others that want to enter the space in the same area.

[jacinthebox]

This thread makes me want to drink coors lite....

[saosborne]

but what kind of "community" purposely squats next to an already established company who is already doing that?

personally i think that makes alot of sense. it sure makes brewery tours and tap room sampling alot easier

[brownboy67]

That's so incorrect and based on rumour and supposition. I suspect you've been fed a lot of that. That's verging on liable. I copied it so you can't delete it.

Dude, you just got way to intense about that comment. I did say that those were the RUMOURS that I've been told when asking the community members about the upcoming brewery. Another brewery is great to boost the craft brewing community, but not in the backyard of another one. That, to me, seems weird and I'm skeptical of it. There are lots of other great locations, even in Port Williams, but they chose a spot right next to an existing brewery? I just honestly haven't heard anything positive about this new brewery and I thought the whole point of this forum was to discuss it. Sorry, but everyone has an opinion to share about what they've heard. But there's no need to get defensive and aggressive (i.e. "I copied it so you can't delete it"). I have no plan on deleting my comment because I'm sharing what I've heard, not trying to piss anyone off. I was interested in investing but everyone I've talked to has given me very negative opinions, that's why I came here. I'm just trying to either get those rumours confirmed or denied.

[AllanMar]

That's so incorrect and based on rumour and supposition. I suspect you've been fed a lot of that. That's verging on liable. I copied it so you can't delete it.

This is way over the top imo, especially from someone who has said some unpopular things that were later deleted. While I don't agree with everything he said, this is more inappropriate in my opinion than anything he said.

From what you're said here your not exactly an unbiased source in this discussion either...