Canadian Brewing Awards - Judges Score Sheets

[NASH]

Aight folks, here's some stunningly detailed score sheets with judges in depth comments on my beers entered from the Hart & Thistle. It's sort of embarrassing, but not for me!

They state in the email that the numbers on the top right of each page are:
"category - brewery number - # of entries made by YOUR brewery in this category". However those, of course are incorrect. As you can see in category 30 (DIPA) we entered 3 beers but according to the first sheet we entered 1, the 2nd sheet we entered 2 etc.

Regardless, you all had a taste of some of these beers at Nash Bash, most notable the Hop Mess Monster and Commissar RIS, personally I didn't find them that offensive I can identify those 2 on the sheets as well as Doppelganger Smoked Porter and Ji Hombre Ginger Saison but I have no idea which other beers are where on these sheets.

30-33-3 is the Monster - smells and tastes like armpits and sweat
31-33-1 is the Ginger Saison - dry-hopped with high AA hops! It wasn't dry-hopped and NOBODY picked up on the ginger
35-33-1 is Commissar RIS - thin body, needs more roast and more hops
9-33-1 is Doppelganger Imperial Smoked Porter judged as a standard Porter. I entered it as a smoked beer but that apparently was lost in translation somewhere, Bruce could have filled out the entry form incorrectly, no idea.

All bottles were in great shape, random bottles opened and tasted for each entry the day before being shipped out. As for all of my musty, astringent, unbalanced, too bitter, too hoppy beers.... I'm just going to keep brewing them all that way

Hart_Thistle_CBAs-2.pdf

[vgoreham]

30-33-3 is Messie?

Bitterness "bit low, but workable". Haha, you need to use more hops!

[NASH]

30-33-3 is Messie?

Bitterness "bit low, but workable". Haha, you need to use more hops!

I'm on it!

[BobbyOK]

Why would any judge ever write "tastes like sweat" on a form without ever using the term "salty"? The comments on Der Kommissar are disturbing they're so contradictory.

Also like the next judge's comment on 30-33-3 (Messie, correct?) under Balance and Drinkability - checked off "Not appropriate" and wrote "too". A 1000 IBU was too balanced and drinkable? And you docked "points" for that? What does "too balanced" mean anyway? Overall the term Balance appears on the scorecard way too many times, both in type and in the written comments.

And what was 21-33-1 supposed to be?

[mr x]

That's fantastic stuff.

[CorneliusAlphonse]

35-33-1 is Commissar RIS - thin body, needs more roast and more hops

if anyone could think commissar was too thin.... I had a little taste at H&T the other night, and it was like i was drinking a milkshake (in a good way, ha). If anyone could describe it as "thin body" they either had a different beer, or don't know what they're talking about.

[LiverDance]

I think i have the only plauseable explanation to this madness! Bruce must mixed up the bottles of Nash beer with Keith's bottles and that's what the score cards are based on! What kind of supposed professional "judge" makes a comment about sweaty armpits, and how the fuck does he know what they taste like? Complete bullshit

[mr x]

Looking at these again, holy christ, on top of some horrible writing, a lot of stuff seems crazy...

Jesus, 21-33-1, page 26. Does that say 'greasy and insipid' and 'no more please'?

[NASH]

I don't know and don't care

Honestly, the level of professionalism here is mind boggling. A fucking embarrassment to themselves. If I held a competition and the non-compensated judges turned in papers like this I'd fucking burn them all and tell all the entrants there was a horrible fire. Then I'd look for real judges next year and at least offer them some sort of compensation for their time and travel expenses. Honestly, I've seen a lot of judges comments from competitions over the years and most have held at least some validity. I don't care that I didn't win anything which some folks may feel are at the root of my bitching, it's the lack of professionalism and obvious lack of trained palates and or exposure to modern renditions of beer as it is today. Nobody picked up on the ginger in my ginger-bomb saison?? Commissar was thin, more like a regular stout?? The Monster was too balanced?? There's one or two sheets in there that I particularly enjoyed, the ones that have absolutely nothing written in, not one word

I don't blame the judges for not divulging their names on the sheets this year. The no-point system is fuct too. They implemented that this year, most likely in part because of my outrage two years ago when I held 3 IPA score sheets all with scores of 37 points or higher when they did not award a bronze medal in the category while the entry forms specifically stated any beer required a minimum score of 32 points to be awarded a bronze. http://hartandthistle.blogspot.com/2009 ... -rant.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That's right, I'm at it again. Somebody stop me!

[NASH]

Why would any judge ever write "tastes like sweat" on a form without ever using the term "salty"? The comments on Der Kommissar are disturbing they're so contradictory.

Also like the next judge's comment on 30-33-3 (Messie, correct?) under Balance and Drinkability - checked off "Not appropriate" and wrote "too". A 1000 IBU was too balanced and drinkable? And you docked "points" for that? What does "too balanced" mean anyway? Overall the term Balance appears on the scorecard way too many times, both in type and in the written comments.

And what was 21-33-1 supposed to be?

21-33-1 had to be the Weizen I brewed with the lallemand Munich yeast.

[NASH]

Oh and BTW, Bruce told me yesterday that what I thought was the Doppelganger Imperial Smoked Porter was actually the 1814 porter (peated malt?)

[Jimmy]

I can't believe a "professional" judge would put comments like that on a score card...show some class. I can't say I know much about the CBA guidelines, but you would think the style guidelines would evolve as beer evolves. They should be promoting creativity, and thinking outside the box!

[mr x]

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[NASH]

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Geez, what an ignorant prick!